While I agree with you on the transparency, I dont understand your gripe with libya. Correct me if i'm wrong but we werent at war with libya. We didnt send in ground troops...and the entire thing cost us a billion dollars, instead of the trillion+ that W's wars are costing us. If anything the way he handled the libya situation should be a plus for him (especially considering how badly you want us out of the actual wars we're in) in that he assembled a bit of a coalition and we didnt have to do all the 'heavy lifting' ourselves.

Is he more of a scumbag than the guy who got us into two simultaneous wars?

Technically we're not at war with Iraq or Afghanistan either so that's a moot point....or at least open to interpretation.

Engaging in any sort of military action by executive fiat is fucked up...everyone should agree with that....even W went to congress (controlled by Democrats) before the UN...Obama just went to the UN.
And he didn't build a coalition...it was a NATO action...just as Iraq and Afghanistan are.
France just has a national interest in Libya so they were willing to take the lead.

The real question raised by the action in Libya is why the hell are we not in Syria?
If anything there's a 100x better case to be made for that.

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I dont envy Obama having to deal with our role in any sort of arab spring...seems like a 'damned if you do/dont' scenario.

And from my vantage point the action in libya raises the question of 'how come W didnt find some way to accomplish our international fighting goals without spending a trillion freaking dollars doing it?'

Because we went to Iraq with the projected attitude that we would kick ass then help rebuild.
We won in a matter of days....it's the stabilize and rebuild that's a bitch.

Afghanistan is just Afghanistan, ask the Russians, that place just needs to go away, it can't be fixed.

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And it doesnt bother you immensely that you just encapsulated our apparent exit strategy?
Step 1: Get country into absolute shitstorm
Step 2:
Step 3: Exit rebuilt Iraq!



Yeah, I think everyone agrees with you. Too bad we weren't smart enough to learn the lesson the russians had just spent a decade teaching the world.

Not to gripe on your gripe but we did have ground forces in Libya. Guess you missed that memo. We have also just dropped boots on the ground in Africa. 100 special forces are running about the african landscape trying killing off a man who considers himself god. We also have opened hundreds of small airstrips for our drones. BTW the drone airstrikes we started is in fact an act of war with Pakistan. Obama is pissing on their faces when it comes to us respecting their sovereignty. We just pay them money to shut the fuck up. So since Dumbo has taken office he has opened more military fob'S, not closed GITMO, saved backing out of one war until his campaigning for 2012, gone to war with Libya, informally declared war with central Africa, and started an air based military campaign in Pakistan. I'll leave Syria alone.

Nobel Peace Prize my ass. War monger.

I'm not disagreeing and I'm not trying to change your mind. However, every prez lies when he campaigns, and every prez tries to increase executive powers (remember that last guy?).
Just as a crazy example, let's say we let you and you alone pick every prez for the rest of your life (choosing only actual candidates). I can almost guarantee that you would not be 100% happy with ANY of them by the time their terms were up. Probably not even 75% happy with ANY of them. Let's face it. Anyone running for prez is a politician. And any politician whose efforts have gotten him or her to the level of presidential candidate is going to say and do ANYTHING to become or stay prez.

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better get used to it. this is not something new.

obama wasnt the first to do so. he wont be the last.

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Most recent wars have been fought without congressional approval. It is basically commonplace for anyone to shit on congress, at free will.

exactly. so its not a new trend, and one that will continue.

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It doesn't have to. American citizens could care a little bit more about this sort of thing and put an end to it. Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are two examples of both left and right politicians who have campaigned on the fact that they're defenders of the constitution.

The problem is, the American public doesn't seem to give this issue the light of day. Unfortunately, I think that's what happens as time travels further from a revolution. The horror of governmental oppression and fear of its return becomes atrophied.

Whatever. My vote isn't going to a President that disregards the Constitution.

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Wheelhouse

no skin off my ass, i couldnt bring myself to vote for a conservative person. so he has mine again.

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Yes, of course it does.

Unfortunately, you're right.
The Taliban are licking their chops right now and looking at us like the n00b we are.

I'd also bet real money (Euros or Yuan) Egypt and Libya are about to transition from secular dictatorships to Islamic theocracies.

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That kind of attitude is one of the biggest problems facing politics and the future of this country in general.

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not really. like i said, its no skin off my ass who you vote for, i myself am a liberal and will continue to vote liberal if possible.

obama represents my interests more then any other candidate. in fact, every other candidate is opposite of my interests.

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I would have voted for Kucinich. He has a hot wife.

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So you enjoy paying for other people's rides through life?

What "liberal" policies do you embrace, or hold most dear to your heart?

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I'm with you on this.

You also have the option to 'not vote'.

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Ron Paul or bust. he is the only GOP candidate that is mentally sane.... the rest are bat shit crazy.

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LETS GO BUFFALO!