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YankeeInRaleigh
 Post subject: WTF?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:06 am 
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Well, no one else is starting a general "I cant believe we look so terrible and I desperately need to post something online with other people who probably feel generally the same" thread. So, here it is.


Miller. WTF dude, what has happened to him? He looks like his head is a million miles away. And why does our team seem to play so differently when Enroth is in?

How do they seem so utterly out of sync with each other at times?

Is there anything ruff can yell at this point to snap them the hell out of it?

Dude from VS really hit it on the head last night I think...we're weak up front. We have no one besides vanek who can be counted on to actually produce. Of course miller and our upgraded D corps were supposed to keep opponents from scoring AT FUCKING WILL, but with that plan out the window, we look kind of fucked.

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Not sure how much this has to do with it, but while starting Weber (a good thing) he also juggled around the d-pairings - Weber-Regehr, Myers-Sekera, and kept Leopold-Ehrhoff. 3-10 is looking pretty weak defensively anyway (not much surprise), but maybe switching around the other two pairings caused some initial confusion or hesitation. Whatever the case, they couldn't clear a puck to save their lives for the first ten minutes. It looked like damn near total disarray. Throw in another weak goal allowed and game over after six minutes. I watched the rest out of morbid curiosity.

I don't try to look too much into player comments, but right before the game VS interviewed Myers and he answered a question about dealing with Philly by, "...matching their toughness...", or something like that. Forget matching, how about being TOUGHER than they are?!?

But, as ridiculous as they looked last night, they haven't totally blown the start like last year. Problem is the early stretch should've been a little on the weak side, and still they've lost to beatable teams and won some looking less than solid. I'm aggravated and think this team is proving yet again a severe lack of mental toughness and/or total commitment to winning, but even still nothing matters until playoffs (if they get there).


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theyre coming out of it. they looked great the final 53 minutes. i think theyll be just fine and dandy and the process of jelling the new parts is taking a while.

that said, im aboard giving enny a few starts till miller gets his head together.

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that said, im aboard giving enny a few starts till miller gets his head together.

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We have too many offensive d-man. Ehrhoff, Myers, Leopold, Sekera have all their upside in the o-zone and are mediocre at best in the d-zone (Myers used to be better).

I think we have enough scoring potential up front, it's just that too many skilled forwards aren't showing up.

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Insert healthy and productive Ennis and Jochen and we have something that will work just fine. Maybe Miller is having problems at home. That shit affects certain people a lot more then others. It's early and a lot of pieces are either missing or have been added. I did not expect for them to gel overnight.


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Maybe Miller is having problems at home.

Maybe there's more to Kim Kardashian's divorce than she's letting on, like she got involved in a 3-way with Miller and Noureen and her husband found out. There, I said what we're all thinking.


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Maybe Miller is having problems at home.

Maybe there's more to Kim Kardashian's divorce than she's letting on, like she got involved in a 3-way with Miller and Noureen and her husband found out. There, I said what we're all thinking.

He does not look like the type to have the sexual fortitude to pull a threeway off his wife and Kim. But who knows he could be a tantric monster.


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D is soft. No 2 ways about it. Maybe one of these days, Myers will remember he's 6-8 and start rubbing a few guys out.


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It's a good thing I was drinking last night, too bad Miller was too.
What an embarrassing shitstorm.

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Miller's positioning is off. Cheating too far to the blocker side. If he doesn't do that, he makes both those saves with his left shoulder.

Paging Jim Corsi.

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sabretoothpick wrote:
We have too many offensive d-man. Ehrhoff, Myers, Leopold, Sekera have all their upside in the o-zone and are mediocre at best in the d-zone (Myers used to be better).

I think we have enough scoring potential up front, it's just that too many skilled forwards aren't showing up.


Yah I agree that we have too many "offesnive" defensemen. You could add Grags to that list also until yesterday's game that is. We definately need another Regehr type of defensemen on this team.

We do have the scoring potential but the "scorring forwards" instead of Vanek are those forwards that you know just show up sometimes here and there and end up with a good showing at the end of the season with a 20 goal or so season. Stafford was nothing but luck last year and everyone knows I didn't like this signing. The guys on pace for a whopping 37 points 22 of them goals. We defniately need another scorer in here I don't know who is available this early in the season but Darcy needs to get someone with a good level of consistency on the offesnive side of the puck in here. And we've got the pieces to bring in someone to help Vanek and Pominville...

Maybe have a chat with Sutter while they are in town about the availability of Iggy;)

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 Post subject: Re: WTF?
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Jammerz04 wrote:
sabretoothpick wrote:
We have too many offensive d-man. Ehrhoff, Myers, Leopold, Sekera have all their upside in the o-zone and are mediocre at best in the d-zone (Myers used to be better).

I think we have enough scoring potential up front, it's just that too many skilled forwards aren't showing up.


Yah I agree that we have too many "offesnive" defensemen. You could add Grags to that list also until yesterday's game that is. We definately need another Regehr type of defensemen on this team.

We do have the scoring potential but the "scorring forwards" instead of Vanek are those forwards that you know just show up sometimes here and there and end up with a good showing at the end of the season with a 20 goal or so season. Stafford was nothing but luck last year and everyone knows I didn't like this signing. The guys on pace for a whopping 37 points 22 of them goals. We defniately need another scorer in here I don't know who is available this early in the season but Darcy needs to get someone with a good level of consistency on the offesnive side of the puck in here. And we've got the pieces to bring in someone to help Vanek and Pominville...

Maybe have a chat with Sutter while they are in town about the availability of Iggy;)


1. "On pace" stats are skewed and absolutely ridiculous at the beginning of the year. Will Vanek actually put up 130+ points? No.
2. Consistency? Iginla is notorious for his slow starts, thereby subtracting from his consistency. The only thing consistent about him is he catches fire in the last half of the season.
3. Iginla costs 7 mill per year. How do you suggest we fit that shit in?
4. As for your assessment of our gioal scorers, I'm sorry but unless you have an elite palyer like Vanek, Datsyuk, Giroux, Kopitar, etc., you're not gonna get point per game or amazing performances every night. That's why those players cost 6 million+ and Stafford costs 4 million. You have to accept that these players might not show up every game or consistently put up points throughout the year. Every team has these struggles and it's not just Buffalo's "heartless" team.

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 Post subject: Re: WTF?
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jordano wrote:
Jammerz04 wrote:
sabretoothpick wrote:
We have too many offensive d-man. Ehrhoff, Myers, Leopold, Sekera have all their upside in the o-zone and are mediocre at best in the d-zone (Myers used to be better).

I think we have enough scoring potential up front, it's just that too many skilled forwards aren't showing up.


Yah I agree that we have too many "offesnive" defensemen. You could add Grags to that list also until yesterday's game that is. We definately need another Regehr type of defensemen on this team.

We do have the scoring potential but the "scorring forwards" instead of Vanek are those forwards that you know just show up sometimes here and there and end up with a good showing at the end of the season with a 20 goal or so season. Stafford was nothing but luck last year and everyone knows I didn't like this signing. The guys on pace for a whopping 37 points 22 of them goals. We defniately need another scorer in here I don't know who is available this early in the season but Darcy needs to get someone with a good level of consistency on the offesnive side of the puck in here. And we've got the pieces to bring in someone to help Vanek and Pominville...

Maybe have a chat with Sutter while they are in town about the availability of Iggy;)


3. Iginla costs 7 mill per year. How do you suggest we fit that shit in?

You trade away salary. Stafford 4 mill, Jochen 3 mill, Sekera 4+ mill etc...

And you gotta relax bud I was kidding about Iggy that's why I put that lil wink thing at the end of the sentence....

And I gurantee Stafford won't put up 30 goals this year.

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In order to move salary, you need to find a team willing to trade with you. You also need to offer up players of equal talent and skill to receive a good trade.

One can't trade horse shit and expect ice cream in return. It doesn't work that way.

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In order to move salary, you need to find a team willing to trade with you. You also need to offer up players of equal talent and skill to receive a good trade.

One can't trade horse shit and expect ice cream in return. It doesn't work that way.


To PHX: Chris Gratton To Buffalo: Briere

To St. Louis: Eric Brewer, Jeff Woywitka and Doug Lynch. To Edmonton: Chris Pronger.

To Washington: Jaromir Jagr, Frantisek Kucera. To Pittsburgh: Kris Beech, Ross Lupaschuk, Michal Sivek

To Florida: Roberto Luongo, Olli Jokinen. To NY Islanders: Mark Parrish, Oleg Kvasha

The list goes on and on....

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Keep going with this list. I'm interested to see the results.

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Jammerz04 wrote:
jordano wrote:
Jammerz04 wrote:
sabretoothpick wrote:
We have too many offensive d-man. Ehrhoff, Myers, Leopold, Sekera have all their upside in the o-zone and are mediocre at best in the d-zone (Myers used to be better).

I think we have enough scoring potential up front, it's just that too many skilled forwards aren't showing up.


Yah I agree that we have too many "offesnive" defensemen. You could add Grags to that list also until yesterday's game that is. We definately need another Regehr type of defensemen on this team.

We do have the scoring potential but the "scorring forwards" instead of Vanek are those forwards that you know just show up sometimes here and there and end up with a good showing at the end of the season with a 20 goal or so season. Stafford was nothing but luck last year and everyone knows I didn't like this signing. The guys on pace for a whopping 37 points 22 of them goals. We defniately need another scorer in here I don't know who is available this early in the season but Darcy needs to get someone with a good level of consistency on the offesnive side of the puck in here. And we've got the pieces to bring in someone to help Vanek and Pominville...

Maybe have a chat with Sutter while they are in town about the availability of Iggy;)


3. Iginla costs 7 mill per year. How do you suggest we fit that shit in?

You trade away salary. Stafford 4 mill, Jochen 3 mill, Sekera 4+ mill etc...

And you gotta relax bud I was kidding about Iggy that's why I put that lil wink thing at the end of the sentence....

And I gurantee Stafford won't put up 30 goals this year.

Relax? Didn't think I was getting hot headed.

I thought you were serious about the Iginla deal because you've offered up some pretty weird/crazy trade ideas in the past and I just thought you were at it again.

So, we trade away salary eh? Just that simple. Who wants Jochen Hecht? Raise your hand. Nobody? :lol:

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Jammerz04 wrote:
AudSabres wrote:
In order to move salary, you need to find a team willing to trade with you. You also need to offer up players of equal talent and skill to receive a good trade.

One can't trade horse shit and expect ice cream in return. It doesn't work that way.


To PHX: Chris Gratton To Buffalo: Briere

To St. Louis: Eric Brewer, Jeff Woywitka and Doug Lynch. To Edmonton: Chris Pronger.

To Washington: Jaromir Jagr, Frantisek Kucera. To Pittsburgh: Kris Beech, Ross Lupaschuk, Michal Sivek

To Florida: Roberto Luongo, Olli Jokinen. To NY Islanders: Mark Parrish, Oleg Kvasha

The list goes on and on....

Unless you know the circumstances of these trades and why they happened, you will not convince me of anything. Looks like you just picked trades where GMs were dumb (Millbury) or players wanted out.

P.s. you forgot to add the Rask trade. It's the biggest blunder of the 2000s.

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