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sabresindc
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:49 am 
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I still think that Shanahan will not issue any suspension. He will say that Miller placed himself in a vulnerable position and Lucic actually "let up" just prior to hitting Miller. Lindy just showed the league (again) that you can take whatever liberties you want, with the Sabres, without fear of retribution. I'm not really looking forward to the 23rd unless they bring up Kassian and Folino for it.

I guess Miller should take lessons from his former teammate.... The Dominator



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PatGreen
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A running back or a Wide receiver has every right to slide and some do, ever watch Randy Moss or Chad Johnson when guys start closing in on them?

A running back is different, I've never seen one slide or drop to the ground.

anyone can slide, only a quarterback can't be hit while he's sliding


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fly as hale wrote:

A goalie's equipment makes them vulnerable. It's also not designed to protect themselves for huge hits and it's easy for a goalie to be thrown off balance because of all the pounds of equipment they are wearing.

I guess people can make the argument that they shouldn't leave their crease then...but their job is to prevent the puck from getting in the net. And leaving the crease to play the puck and prevent the opposing team from gaining posession is a large part of their job.

if you're putting yourself in a vulnerable situation, then it's your fault if something happens. if a guy is going to get checked, and then turns so he gets checked in the numbers, and then he breaks his nose on the running boards, are you going to blame the guy who got hurt or the guy who hit him?


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p.s. i don't think that the hit was clean. it was late and he checked through the body instead of just bumping or something. i just disagree with the premise of some of the arguments.


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Miller stayed in the dressing room and waited for the media last night...

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Injured Miller calls out Lucic; Gaustad 'embarrassed' by Sabres' lack of response
November 12, 2011 - 10:27 PM | 9 comments
Ryan Miller, injured during a collision with Boston's Milan Lucic, didn't play in the third period. However, he sat in the dressing room in a suit until the media arrived following Buffalo's 6-2 loss. He didn't want to talk about the injury, of course.

"I'm not really going to get into that," Miller said in TD Garden. "I just stuck around because I wanted to say what a piece of [feces] I think Lucic is. Fifty pounds on me, and he runs me like that? It's unbelievable. Everyone in this city see him as a big, tough, solid player. I respected him for how hard he plays. That was gutless. Gutless. Piece of [feces]."


Goose had some nice words for his mates as well..

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The Sabres did not come to Miller's defense following the hit, other than a couple of shoves by Thomas Vanek and Andrej Sekera. Was it the response they needed?

"No, no it wasn't," said center Paul Gaustad, who was on the ice along with Vanek, Sekera, Tyler Myers and Jason Pominville. "I can do more. I'm embarrassed that we didn't respond the way we should have. It falls on myself. I look at myself first, and I wasn't good enough.

"We didn't push back. There's no reason to be scared. We had to go after it, and we didn't."


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I hope they bring up Kassian for this. But knowing how screwed Buffalo gets with the NHL all the time. Shanahan will bring up Kassians Junior past in his ruling for a 20 game suspension after he takes Lucic's/Thomas's head off..

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Lucic finished his hit on a goalie, who no longer had the puck. That's as dirty as dirty gets. Of course the national hockey media figured out how to turn this against Buffalo (Kaleta's dirty blah blah blah). Never once has Kaleta finished a check on a goalie. Never. He actually had a chance to totally smoke Tim Thomas, but let up. Why? He's at least got a shred of respect. It's a joke that Lucic is going to be able to get away with this. It's pretty clear he finished his check and aimed for Miller's head. Granted, the Sabres response was lacking, but if the league is serious about player safety, they would at the least to levy a fine.

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If Miller and Myers were playing like they did last year, we'd probably be over 500 right now.

If I had decided to jerk off instead, I probably wouldn't be paying child support...


"Grier coming in over the line. He leaves it to Gaustad. The shot. THEY SCOOOREE!! RING UP ANOTHER ONE FOR THE GOOSE!!! HONK IF YA HEAR THE GOOSE!! 3-0 BUFFALO!"


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I just wish we had someone about 6'8 and around 260 that we could bring up for the next go with the Bruins.

Oh wait, we do...

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All that being said, if Goose was serious about what he said and the team is serious about being tougher, the rematch on the 23rd will be a blood bath. Can't. Fucking. Wait.
Remember this?
http://youtu.be/xQ10VMkXRqI
I want this. Like x10.

We went after them for nudging Miller. This is the fucking response we need.

I say line match 8/28/36 with Lucic's line all game. Tell those three to make sure he regrets what he did and what he said. Throw Regher out there too. Make sure that fucking neanderthal can't even talk in the post game next time.

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Sabres2Sabres wrote:
If Miller and Myers were playing like they did last year, we'd probably be over 500 right now.

If I had decided to jerk off instead, I probably wouldn't be paying child support...


"Grier coming in over the line. He leaves it to Gaustad. The shot. THEY SCOOOREE!! RING UP ANOTHER ONE FOR THE GOOSE!!! HONK IF YA HEAR THE GOOSE!! 3-0 BUFFALO!"


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Don't listen to Mike Milbury and PJ Stock on saying goalies are fair game. They are both retarded idiots.

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The more I think about this and see stuff about, the more pissed off I get. It really gets me steamed considering what he did, the fact the Sabres didn't respond the right way, and the fact the NHL won't do a fucking thing about. The league has been and continues to be a fucking joke when it comes to player safety. I guarantee if it was Thomas that was injured, the hitter would've been suspended indefinitely, because then how would they market all the Boston games on VS?
On November 23rd, this team needs to go out there and hit everything that moves. If they want to be taken seriously, and they dont want to be laughed at by other teams anymore, this is a statement. Hell, we can lose 6-2 again. Really, a win would be a bonus, I want to see us dominate physically. I want to see us knock Lucic, Horton, Chara and all of those scum bags into next week. If people get suspended, then so be it. Because, if this team makes a statement and takes a stand, everyone will think twice about fucking with us.

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Sabres2Sabres wrote:
If Miller and Myers were playing like they did last year, we'd probably be over 500 right now.

If I had decided to jerk off instead, I probably wouldn't be paying child support...


"Grier coming in over the line. He leaves it to Gaustad. The shot. THEY SCOOOREE!! RING UP ANOTHER ONE FOR THE GOOSE!!! HONK IF YA HEAR THE GOOSE!! 3-0 BUFFALO!"


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fly as hale wrote:
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sabresindc wrote:
I guess Milbury is good with the Lucic hit. According to him, goalies are free game when they play the puck.


That is true. It's just an unwritten rule that you don't hit a goaltender.

I do agree with it, though. Goaltenders are pretty defenseless against hits.

It's actually written in the rulebook that goalies aren't fair game.

A Major penalty and a Game Misconduct penalty shall be assessed any player who charges a goaltender while the goaltender is within his crease or who injures an opponent as a result of a charge.

Note: A goaltender is not “fair game” just because he is outside the goal crease area. A penalty for interference (Minor or, at the discretion of the Referee, a Major penalty and a Game Misconduct penalty) or charging (Minor or, at the discretion of the Referee, a Major penalty and a Game Misconduct penalty) shall be called where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with a goaltender. Likewise, Referees should be alert to penalize goaltenders for tripping, slashing, or spearing in the vicinity of the goal.” (Hockey Referee’s Case Book/Rule Combination, 2001, pg. 141).


I understand that there is a rule, so to speak, but it's still an unwritten rule that you don't hit a goaltender. Let's say Lucic had slowed down and even gave Miller a bump, people still should have been in his face, even if it was completely legal. You just don't touch the opposite goaltender.

That's my opinion. I understand the whole "put yourself in a vulnerable position, you're fair game" thing, I just don't necessarily agree with it.


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i also have to say i don't like that miller swung the stick at lucic. it's possible that he was holding on to it and the momentum carried it around but it looked a whole lot like he swung it. if he did, that's no better than getting run. in fact, it's worse.


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i also have to say i don't like that miller swung the stick at lucic. it's possible that he was holding on to it and the momentum carried it around but it looked a whole lot like he swung it. if he did, that's no better than getting run. in fact, it's worse.

A monster of a man takes Miller out intentionally, i have no problem with what Miller did and would prefer cobtact actually be made. Odds are it would just have been an inconvenience. To say that was worse than what Lucic did is mind boggling to me.


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if you're putting yourself in a vulnerable situation, then it's your fault if something happens. if a guy is going to get checked, and then turns so he gets checked in the numbers, and then he breaks his nose on the running boards, are you going to blame the guy who got hurt or the guy who hit him?

But goalies are almost always vulnerable because of all that equipment. You don't think goalies should leave the crease to play the puck?

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again, to those of you who may not know this, i think the hit was dirty, mostly because it was late and the hit was high- i saw no attempt to move out of lucic. i'd suspend him.

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But goalies are almost always vulnerable because of all that equipment. You don't think goalies should leave the crease to play the puck?

i didn't say that, watch the fallacies. i think that if a goalie leaves the net, they should avoid vulnerable situations. play the puck when you've got 40 feet of freedom, not 10. or play it like hasek and stop the puck by slide tackling. but it's better when miller doesn't leave the crease, because he's pretty terrible at playing the puck. i think everyone can agree that he's certainly no marty turco or rick dipietro.

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A monster of a man takes Miller out intentionally, i have no problem with what Miller did and would prefer cobtact actually be made. Odds are it would just have been an inconvenience. To say that was worse than what Lucic did is mind boggling to me.

sorry dude, using a weapon is not the same as a late hit. you don't get to use a weapon in a fist fight. to say that hitting someone with a 5lb weapon with accelerating force and concentrated pressure is the same as a full body hit is mind boggling to me. you don't get back at someone for a sucker punch with a staff. that's disgusting and dishonorable that you suggest it's okay.


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the fact the NHL won't do a fucking thing about. The league has been and continues to be a fucking joke when it comes to player safety.
I guarantee if it was Thomas that was injured, the hitter would've been suspended indefinitely, because then how would they market all the Boston games on VS?
If people get suspended, then so be it. Because, if this team makes a statement and takes a stand, everyone will think twice about fucking with us.

1. more than 71 games have been lost already this year due to suspensions from illegal hits. they aren't doing a fucking thing about it? brendan shanahan has done more for player saftey in 2.5 months than colin campbell did in 2.5 years.
2. boston has 10 more games on versus, buffalo has 9. i think they both had 12 for the season. so the nhl would lose just as much marketing every way.

3. okay, you want player safety and the nhl to take care of it, but the best way to go out there and do it is to cause suspensions? i'm with you on the whole hit everything that moves thing, as long as it's legal and physical, but we don't need suspension hits just because they can. there's already going to be a microscope on that game because of the miller and lucic incident.


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He should get suspended for it. Lucic is a dirty peace of shit and I bet Kaleta would get suspended for that kind of hit.

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Wow. The NHL does not have some sort of personal vendetta against the Sabres. I get so fucking annoyed when people say "It's the Sabres. Of course the NHL won't do anything about it," or "If it was this player that was hit, XX would be suspended for that hit."

Just no.


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Well they have till Tuesday to suspend Lucic. Hopefully we'll see something that Lucic will be scheduled for a meeting tomorrow morning

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