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 Post subject: Re: Iran
PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:09 pm 
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Israel has been in their big boy pants for some time now. I honestly feel we hold them back from most action. I say let them do what they want. Obama's speach scared me. We are one irrational decision away from sending in the boys.

I totally understand your 2nd and third sentences, but could you elaborate on sentences 1, 4 and 5? I didn't hear Obama's speech.

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Forgive me, but teachable moment here.

Iran, when correctly pronounced does not sound like eye-ran. It sounds like ear-ron. (same for Iraq - ear-rock, not eye-rack)

Also, Iranians are not Arabs. Well, 2% of them are, but 61% of Iranians are Persian.

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Stay out of the conflict unless it affects us directly. Iran and Israel already hate each other, and if they were to wage war nobody would join in, most likely.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:31 pm 
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ksquier89 wrote:
Israel has been in their big boy pants for some time now. I honestly feel we hold them back from most action. I say let them do what they want. Obama's speach scared me. We are one irrational decision away from sending in the boys.

I totally understand your 2nd and third sentences, but could you elaborate on sentences 1, 4 and 5? I didn't hear Obama's speech.



Israel has whipped on several different countries without our help. Why we feel some need to play big brother is beyond me. Obama came out and said that no "military action" has been taken off the table. We heard this exact same thing with Gee Dub prior to invading Iraq. Presidents are now only puppets for big business and will take it from behind at will. Sentences 4 and 5 sort of tie in together.

Thank you for the lesson but I already knew how to say Iraq and Iran. And yes I know that Iranians are not Arabs, instead Persian which is a direct relative of the guido(kidding)....(but kinda serious)


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ksquier89 wrote:
Israel has been in their big boy pants for some time now. I honestly feel we hold them back from most action. I say let them do what they want. Obama's speach scared me. We are one irrational decision away from sending in the boys.

I totally understand your 2nd and third sentences, but could you elaborate on sentences 1, 4 and 5? I didn't hear Obama's speech.



Israel has whipped on several different countries without our help. Why we feel some need to play big brother is beyond me. Obama came out and said that no "military action" has been taken off the table. We heard this exact same thing with Gee Dub prior to invading Iraq. Presidents are now only puppets for big business and will take it from behind at will. Sentences 4 and 5 sort of tie in together.

Thank you for the lesson but I already knew how to say Iraq and Iran. And yes I know that Iranians are not Arabs, instead Persian which is a direct relative of the guido(kidding)....(but kinda serious)

Okay, got it. Needed help with the 'big boy pants' reference. I really don't think there's much of a chance Obama takes us to war in Iran, personally.

As for the teachable moment, that wasn't directed at you at all, or anyone here in particular for that matter. It's just a little pet peeve of mine when I hear 'eye-rack' and 'eye-ran'.

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There are a couple of problems with letting Iran get a nuke. The first is that they have expressed their desire to "wipe Israel off the map". Are we not really taking that seriously? I don't care how many nukes Israel has. If the nuke "finds" itself in the hands of Hezbollah and detonates in Israel, who around the world would support a retaliatory strike against Iran? You know 90% of the world is rampantly anti-semitic and would damn near crucify them (pardon the metaphor).

And to Iran, the U.S. is the "Great Satan", so what's to stop them from arming some kind of terrorist group, like Al-Qaeda, with intent to bring the destruction to our shores. Either way it's bad.

Now, if you want to go ahead and let Israel handle it, then fine, so long as we back them up, not throw them under the bus. I seriously doubt Obama's willingness to support any Israeli military action against Iran. I worry a lot for Israel. Their one powerful ally has been distancing themselves from them leaving them essentially alone against a hostile world.

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You know 90% of the world is rampantly anti-semitic and would damn near crucify them (pardon the metaphor).

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What? Where on earth are you getting that?


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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Hammygoodness wrote:
You know 90% of the world is rampantly anti-semitic and would damn near crucify them (pardon the metaphor).

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What? Where on earth are you getting that?


He's a little off, but 71% of actions against religious groups were anti-semitic in nature. Also, here's an interesting (if long) read:

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/40258.htm

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You know 90% of the world is rampantly anti-semitic and would damn near crucify them (pardon the metaphor).

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What? Where on earth are you getting that?


Dude, look at a history book. Jews have been getting the shaft since the dawn of time, often by ruthless means. Just because we live in a fairly modern and socio hospitable place the world is very cruel.


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Yes, but to say 90% of the world is rampantly anti-semitic is a little bit of an exaggeration. That means 9/10 people you meet fucking. hate. jews.

And that's just not the case.

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Yes, but to say 90% of the world is rampantly anti-semitic is a little bit of an exaggeration. That means 9/10 people you meet fucking. hate. jews.

And that's just not the case.


I am not saying 9/10 that I meet but the hatred is def there.


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ksquier89 wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Hammygoodness wrote:
You know 90% of the world is rampantly anti-semitic and would damn near crucify them (pardon the metaphor).

Ham


What? Where on earth are you getting that?


Dude, look at a history book. Jews have been getting the shaft since the dawn of time, often by ruthless means. Just because we live in a fairly modern and socio hospitable place the world is very cruel.



Oh Really? Because in a different thread (states rights issues) you were arguing about what an enlightened time we live in, where people dont DO terrible shit to one another anymore. But that changed pretty quick now that we're talking about anti-semitism?

You also ridiculed my example of slavery in that thread, because it occured a few hundred years ago, saying it was irrelevant in todays day and age...but now you're pointing back TO THE FUCKING DAWN OF TIME to make a point. Christ...make up your fucking mind about what are and are not appropriate ways to argue.

This place is becoming the leading exporter of 'talking out of your ass'. Look at a history book indeed.


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Yes, but to say 90% of the world is rampantly anti-semitic is a little bit of an exaggeration. That means 9/10 people you meet fucking. hate. jews.

And that's just not the case.

Dude, it's a bit of hyperbole. But seriously, you want to see how much anti-semitism is out there in the world (not just in our country, so it's not about who you meet, since you live in one of the more tolerant societies in the world), check out some UN proceedings. The UN is the international shit on Israel organization.

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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
ksquier89 wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Hammygoodness wrote:
You know 90% of the world is rampantly anti-semitic and would damn near crucify them (pardon the metaphor).

Ham


What? Where on earth are you getting that?


Dude, look at a history book. Jews have been getting the shaft since the dawn of time, often by ruthless means. Just because we live in a fairly modern and socio hospitable place the world is very cruel.



Oh Really? Because in a different thread (states rights issues) you were arguing about what an enlightened time we live in, where people dont DO terrible shit to one another anymore. But that changed pretty quick now that we're talking about anti-semitism?

You also ridiculed my example of slavery in that thread, because it occured a few hundred years ago, saying it was irrelevant in todays day and age...but now you're pointing back TO THE FUCKING DAWN OF TIME to make a point. Christ...make up your fucking mind about what are and are not appropriate ways to argue.

This place is becoming the leading exporter of 'talking out of your ass'. Look at a history book indeed.


"Just because we live in a fairly modern and socio hospitable place the world is very cruel." WE live in a fairly modern and socio hospitable place. WE not the world. Please read into the context before making irrational accusations.




Dudeski I just said your world viewpoints may be skewed simply due to the fact that the country we live in is not like the world at large.


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Hammygoodness wrote:
NYIntensity wrote:
Yes, but to say 90% of the world is rampantly anti-semitic is a little bit of an exaggeration. That means 9/10 people you meet fucking. hate. jews.

And that's just not the case.

Dude, it's a bit of hyperbole. But seriously, you want to see how much anti-semitism is out there in the world (not just in our country, so it's not about who you meet, since you live in one of the more tolerant societies in the world), check out some UN proceedings. The UN is the international shit on Israel organization.

Ham


I suppose it's time to get educated...can you point me someplace where I can read about this?

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Honestly the only one holding Ahmadinejad in check is their supreme ruler. The revolutionary guard are ruthless mofo's who have their allegience set with Ahmadinejad.He is so far off his rocker I think if he had nukes he would seek military takeover of the country and seek about the return of the Persian Empire. Have you read his beliefs into the 12th Imam? He believes that time is now. This guy is seriously fucked in the head. Only thing missing thus far is his own Mein Kampf and a blitzkrieg.


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I suppose it's time to get educated...can you point me someplace where I can read about this?


From http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... tisem.html

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"Emergency Special Sessions of the United Nations General Assembly are rare. No such session has ever been convened with respect to the Chinese occupation of Tibet, the Indonesian occupation of East Timor, the Syrian occupation of Lebanon, the slaughters in Rwanda, the disappearances in Zaire or the horrors of Bosnia. In fact, during the last 15 years they have been called only to condemn Israel."


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"Israel has been the subject of aggressive wars in 1948, 1967 and 1973 and the victim of countless terrorist attacks, the Security Council and the General Assembly have never once censured its assailants. As Thomas M. Franck, Professor of International Law at New York University, has written, "...the UN is a place of convoluted realities. The Assembly's majority has also done its best to achieve an anti-Israeli politicization of the Secretariat."


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"Since the Oslo accords, 259 Israelis have been killed and 5000 injured by Palestinian terror attacks. During the same period, 34 resolutions deploring Israel were passed at the UN, but not one against the terror attacks. The unique treatment of Israel cannot be explained on purely political grounds."


From http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqE ... mitism.htm

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"In 1975, following a steady drumbeat of anti-Israel declarations pushed through the International Women's Year Conference in Mexico and then the Organization of African Unity, the majority of the General Assembly adopted the "Zionism is Racism" resolution. At the same time, it instituted a series of related measures that together installed an infrastructure of anti-Israel propaganda throughout the UN."


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"The countless anti-Israel resolutions and related debates consume an astonishing proportion of the UN community's precious resources. This year, during the 61th Session of the General Assembly (2006-2007), the time spent by ambassadors on enacting the 22nd anti-Israel resolution of the year was time not spent on passing a single resolution on Sudan's genocide in Darfur."


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"UN bias against Israel is overt in bodies such as the General Assembly, which each year passes some nineteen resolutions against Israel and none against most other member states, including the world's most repressive regimes. The World Health Organization, meeting at its annual assembly in Geneva in 2005, passed but one resolution against a specific country: Israel was charged with violating Palestinian rights to health. Similarly, the International Labour Organization, at its annual 2005 conference in Geneva, carried only one major country-specific report on its annual agenda -- a lengthy document charging Israel with violating the rights of Palestinian workers."


You can check out more here http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-31.htm

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Wow. So the UN is a bunch of cunts.

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And we pay for most of it!

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Wow. So the UN is a bunch of cunts.


Bingo.


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