http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/18/travel/pa ... ?hpt=hp_c1

You have GOT to be fucking kidding me...

Cut spending you stupid fucking ass holes and stop taking my hard earned money.

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Wheelhouse

...stop driving so much


I moved to within 4 miles of work. Before that, I took public transportation. You want to find a way to "stick it to the man"? Find a way to stop giving him your money.

Itemized tax returns, etc...

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from my understanding, the gas tax is to be used for infrastructure improvements and repairs. the gas tax doesnt cover this, and roads are in disrepair. so they will introduce this tax. if it improves roads and the infrastructure (which needs it so badly) im all for this new tax.

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You forget; I live in the boonies. I have to drive far to get to my job.



I've never met anyone in my life that would like to pay more taxes. Are you a closet billionaire?

Roads and infrastructure definitely needs to be improved, but they shouldn't be taxing us even more to take care of it. They should be cutting other unnecessary programs and reallocating that money to the DOT.

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Wheelhouse

I'm all for paying more taxes if the money gets spent properly. The US, based on other first world countries worldwide, has some of the lowest individual tax rates and the highest corporate tax rates.

That's for another debate, though.

I don't really agree with this. Cars are the leading cause of destruction, it makes sense that they have to pay for repair. Some roads, like the Pennsylvania Turnpike, have tolls that actually 100% pay for employee wages, maintenance, repairs and expansion. That's the way it's supposed to work.

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Proportionately speaking, do we also have the greatest number of corporate tax breaks?

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Well, one thing I would establish is that during a recession, the US has a tendency to provide more tax breaks and credits so companies and individuals will have more money to spend and to encourage certain behaviors, like buying more business assets, investing in companies, etc. Even with these tax breaks, US corporations still pay a higher share of taxes than corporations in other countries.

See here:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-1 ... finds.html

I'm under the impression that this is taking into account special deductions and credits available to corporations, i.e., it's their effective tax rate, not their marginal rate. I've learned in my international tax class, though, that many companies do not consider the tax rates in a country to be a prevailing reason as to whether or not they'll do business in a country. In other words, I'm not really sure that just lowering tax rates for corporations is the answer.

to my understanding, an expressway can not be changed to a toll way once its been given the ok to be built. its a freeway. alot of people say "just make I-75 a toll road!" well, they cant.

i have no beef paying more taxes if it used properly and will improve infrastructure. its not like im gonna pay 830% more.

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You guys can't be serious. We're in one of the most harsh economic environments in the history of our country, and you'd willingly pay more taxes.

Could you please share with me where you're getting all of this disposable income?

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Wheelhouse

you do realize in increase in taxes that would improve infrastructure and roads would result in more jobs and work, right?

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Please show me where I said I'd willingly pay more taxes. I didn't.

As far as disposable income goes, maybe if you spent less on pot...

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You guys still stuck in NY state have a VAST amount of your exhorbitant property and state income taxes going toward union driven state pensions and welfare type entitlements. Most of this tax money is sucked into the black hole south east of Westchester County. Albany is stil controlled by the interests of NYC area politicians. Not only is NY a liberal dominated state that pays high taxes to support the usual liberal programs, but anyone outside NYC is effectively not represented, so more conservative (or evenly distributed) voting areas/counties get shafted.

I'm sure most of you know this in general, but perhaps living there for a while makes some forget the extent to which they are getting shafted on a regular basis. There is no money to pay for road repair for a very good reason, and it has zero to do with a gas tax or proposed mile tax. Western NY will always be last in line. Get used to it or take the plunge like I did 15 years ago and find a better place. BTW...the car I've driven for the last 11 years has no rust and is in great shape after driving on smooth roads that are re-paved every 4-7 years.

1980 - I'm well aware of exactly how much money is wasted on welfare - my sister is on it and it disgusts me. I've all but disowned her, if it weren't for my niece and nephew, I wouldn't have any contact with her. She's lazy, and has no desire to work whatsoever. I just don't understand it.

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Are you referring to government construction jobs? Because those are artificial, short lived, and come at our own expense.

The stimulus package was designed to improve infrastructure which in turn created jobs. And it settled the economy for a short period of time. But like all government spending used to create jobs, it failed in the long run because:

A. They weren't permanent jobs, and these people ended up having to go back to the unemployment lines.

B. The money spent by our government added to our national debt, which weakens the value of our dollar. This inflation occurs every second our national debt increases, which drives up prices of essentials like groceries and fuel while our wages remain stagnant.

You don't raise taxes in the middle of a recession. You cut taxes, you cut spending, you settle the markets, and you promote an environment that stimulates business growth so REAL, lasting jobs are naturally created in the market place.

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Wheelhouse

you disowned your sister because she's on welfare? i don't like laziness either but family is pretty important.

temporary jobs beat no job. besides, im pretty sure regular construction companies bid on government contracts. so your average joe gets more work. good for him.

regardless, im all for this new tax. improvement in our infrastructure is worth the hike.

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I disowned her because she's a lazy piece of shit. People like her are one of the reasons this nation is in the shape its in.

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No... you're not getting it. The cost of providing these jobs is more detrimental to the economy than providing them for people, because you're taking more money out of the pockets of average Americans to provide them, which in turn leads to less discretionary spending.

How about the fact that a tax like this discourages travel? What kind of repercussions do you think that will have on the economy?

Nothing good ever comes from taking more money from people, especially in the middle of a recession. Nothing.

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Wheelhouse

how much will the tax rate actually raise things? is it like a 7204% raise? doubtful. it probably will hardly be noticeable. personally, they should just raise the gas tax IMO. or keep the gas tax and introduce this tax. either way, any tax that actually improves infrastructure, i am 110% behind. i will GLADLY pay this tax.

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