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Do you think Tootoo should be suspended?
Poll ended at Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:32 pm
Yes, it was dirty play and he did nothing to avoid Miller 38%  38%  [ 9 ]
Yes but Shanasham will make up another excuse not to suspend him 46%  46%  [ 11 ]
No, he was driving hard to the net and Ehrhoff actually guided him towards Miller 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
No, he made an attempt to avoid Miller by trying to jump out of the way 13%  13%  [ 3 ]
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I know our emotions are high about the hit on Miller by Jordin Tootoo. Do you honestly think a suspension is deserved on this one? Is the intent there??? Will Shanahan accept Tootoo's explanation and refuse to issue a suspension again??? The article below has an interview from Tootoo where he defends his actions and says Miller should have been penalized for the assault on him.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2011-12-04/jordin-tootoo-runs-into-ryan-miller/51639842/1

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It was dirty and he should be suspended. Let's wait what NHL's safety idiot will say about it.
I liked Ruff's interview after the game. It is a joke what has happened and I blame Shannahan for it.

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I believe he should be suspended but I have absolutely no faith in Shanahan. He will say that driving hard to the net is a hockey play and that Tootoo had no way to avoid Miller do to the actions of Ehrhoff. I even see supplemental fines handed out to Miller and Guastad.

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If Tootoo went into the net and bowled Miller over with his skates on the ice, I could easily see him avoiding suspension. However, him leaving his feet expressed clear intent to do damage and that alone deserves a suspension.

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sabretoothpick wrote:
I liked Ruff's interview after the game. It is a joke what has happened and I blame Shannahan for it.

He is exactly right, at least towards Miller. It'll be interesting to see what the fuck Philly will do come Wednesday especially if Tootoo doesn't get suspended.

Lindy's quote in the article.
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"What happened in the game is a joke. It's a joke. All it does is just prove the fact right, that when I said it was open season (on goaltenders), it appears it is open season," Sabres coach Lindy Ruff said. "You get a guy that comes off a concussion, and you've got Jordin Tootoo — Jordin Tootoo running over your goaltender? We used to get a two-minute power play for that. We got a one-minute power play out of that. That's a joke."

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More food for thought......

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Jordin-Tootoo-runs-Ryan-Miller-in-his-first-game;_ylt=AoLOC2OQVDzkitLwh0HfLTd7vLYF?urn=nhl-wp18939

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This guy writes like a drunk child.
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It was enough to make one wonder if, like Frogger, his only weakness was being by run over.

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he deserves a suspension less than lucic did, yet his chances of getting suspended are greater, imo.


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1. Ehrhoff DID NOT shove him. He put his hand on his back so he could go for the poke check.
2. Tootoo COULD'VE stopped, it's called stopping. Very routine in hockey.
3. He left his feet, not so he could get away from Miller, but to land on him. You don't jump to evade a goaltender then somehow land right on his head.
4. This is suspension worthy, not as much as that dirty fuck Lucic, but suspension worthy nonetheless

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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
he deserves a suspension less than lucic did, yet his chances of getting suspended are greater, imo.


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The thing that negates Tootoo's excuses is that he lost the puck before he dove into Miller, meaning he had no reason to skate toward the goalie. If he had simply followed the puck his momentum would have carried him to Miller's right and behind the net.

Tootoo claims he couldn't stop, but he did not even need to. He merely had to skate around the net.

Suspend him.

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It was a dangerously reckless move to go hard toward the net. He had almost no room to accomplish his intentions if he had kept possession of the puck. It's a type of move I've seen from various players quite often - "I'm going to try this low percentage play that will probably take me crashing into someone out of control, but oh well let's see what happens."

I really don't think when he turned the corner that Tootoo really wanted to run Miller, but once he lost the puck and saw imminent contact was going to happen, he then also did what many players do - a desperate last second leap to (in vain) avoid full contact. Still, his initial hard move toward the net was dangerously reckless, so any excuse after that shouldn't matter.

With Lucic, his initial move and intention was fine (a semi break on net) but then after he lost the puck saw a chance to take a big shot on Miller, which was total BS and deserved a suspension. With Tootoo, his initial intention was dangerous with such low percentage of success as to make any possible effort to avoid contact useless. The best thing he could've done was drop to his knees and bear hug Miller, but jumping (no matter what his intention) made it worse.

Shanahan will simply say that since the referee called the major and game misconduct, it justifies a two game suspension, aided by a "repeat offender" status. He won't directly compare the two hits, say they were different (out of crease vs in the crease), blah blah, snap back at Buffalo that it's not "open season". In reality, Shanahan will definitely issue a suspension to avoid heavy backlash not just from Buffalo, but from all GMs that made clear their thoughts about the Lucic hit at the GM meeting a few days after.


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After watching it over a few times, the Lucic hit was far more egregious with intent to injure. Highly doubt TuTu will get anything at all. Could he have done more to get out of the way? Probably, but it didn't look like he was trying to take off Miller's head. But loved the way the Sabres and Miller responded. For once, it looked like he was sending the message that he owns his crease and the boys backed him up.


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Rud wrote:
If Tootoo went into the net and bowled Miller over with his skates on the ice, I could easily see him avoiding suspension. However, him leaving his feet expressed clear intent to do damage and that alone deserves a suspension.


One could easily argue that he was trying to jump out of the way??

Not that I'm saying that's what happened....

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Jammerz04 wrote:
Rud wrote:
If Tootoo went into the net and bowled Miller over with his skates on the ice, I could easily see him avoiding suspension. However, him leaving his feet expressed clear intent to do damage and that alone deserves a suspension.


One could easily argue that he was trying to jump out of the way??

Not that I'm saying that's what happened....

but that is exactly what Tootoo is saying. That his jump was a feeble, last ditch, attempt to avoid Miller.

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Like Lindy said, it's Jordin freaking Tootoo. In no way I believe he tried to avoid contact. If it were some other Predator I might believe him. It's not a coincidence that these kind of plays happened with Lucic and Tootoo and not with Seguin and Erat.

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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=604785

Doubt anything will happen to him just like Lucic.

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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=604785

Doubt anything will happen to him just like Lucic.

That is how they handle most of their discipline, over the phone. He very well still could get suspended

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What I fucking hate is everyone calling us babies. WAIT, when Lucic steamrolls Miller, we're pussies for not doing anything. But when Tootoo JUMPS RIGHT THE FUCK ON TOP OF MILLER and he gets 6 Sabres on top of him, we're babies and we overreacted.

Fucking shit, Tootoo made no attempt to stop or get out of Miller's way. The puck was to the side of the net. As soon as he lost it, he said fuck it to the puck and LEFT HIS FEET and hit Miller. A few weeks after the Lucic incident, to the same goalie, his first game back. WHAT A SURPRISE, Tootoo is also a renowned piece of shit! NO WAY!

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=382038
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I watched the Buffalo-Nashville game (video) live and saw Jordin Tootoo charge into Ryan Miller. Even before Miller used his catching glove to pound Tootoo several times I had imposed a five-minute major and game misconduct to Tootoo in my mind. I agree totally with the referee(s) decision in this initial assessment on the play.

What I disagree with is the fact that Ryan Miller was given a free pass for his retaliation in the punches that he threw to the helmet of Tootoo with his catching glove. At the very minimum Miller should have received a minor penalty for roughing (if you bought into Miller's justification for self-defense which isn't at issue.)

Based purely on Ryan Miller's response for being hit in his goal crease a double minor for roughing was warranted for the number of shots he delivered in retaliation (Had Miller used his blocker a 5 minute match penalty would have resulted under rule 51.3).

An old-fashioned rugby scrum ensued and Paul Gaustad was singled out for a double roughing minor plus 10-minute misconduct for persisting to get at Tootoo and some minor resisting of linesman, Mark Shewchyk who did a very good job containing Gaustad. I found the assessment excessive and when a minor penalty would have sufficed to Gaustad.

Looking for a Nashville differential in the final penalty assessment, I would have assessed a roughing minor to Shea Weber for grabbing Paul Gaustad around the neck and wrestling him off the pile of players on top of Tootoo. My final assessment would have not differed in the one-minute power play time differential that Buffalo received but in identifying players deserving of penalties.

For Nashville I give Jordin Tootoo five and a game misconduct for charging; Shea Weber gets two for roughing; Buffalo Ryan Miller a double minor for roughing and Paul Gaustad two for roughing. This sets up the Buffalo captain's choice — play 4-on-3 for two minutes before receiving a three minute power play from Tootoo's major, or play 4-on-4 for four minutes prior to receiving a one minute power play differential.

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