Which makes sense, because you're at even strength.

What do you mean?

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I meant full strength.

In other words, if your team is at full strength and the other team scores a short-handed goal, it makes sense that it should count against your plus-minus.

Ok, that makes sense. One thing I never knew, but was also curious, does it count against your +/- if a goal is scored with a pulled goalie at the end of regulation? Logic says it should, if you're at full strength, but I just want to double check.

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Him being the "best center we have" doesn't make him a #1 center... Looking at teams depth charts the there are only a handfull of teams that Roy would even make the cut for "#1 Center."

Those teams being: NJD, MTL, CGY, and DAL

and maybe an outside chance in PHX.... Other than that he'd be #2 or in some cases even 3 across the board.

And Vanek has been our most consistant forward (Point wise) for the last 5 years....

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Roy is a #1 or #2 forward on any team. He has the skill set and the points to prove it.

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Derek Roy indeed does have "the skill set" to be a top forward on most any team.

He has shown it a couple times. Last year was nice from a point standpoint - until he was hurt. However, a couple years back he went through a very combative and productive stage late in the season. I remember Mike Robitaille touting how he was dominating as he had as a Junior in Kitchener. He was playing a complete game.

What he too often lacks is focus, and discipline. He disappears for periods of time. He whines and dives, takes undisciplined penalties in the offensive zone, and acts like a general ass.

But; this is something a good GM would have dealt with years ago by retaining and acquiring character team players. The current team is lacking in "real" leaders; and this explains their often uneven, inconsistent play. Nothing new; they've been like this for 5 years now.

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"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.

Those are exactly the attributes that Roy isn't a #1 center and wouldn't be on most teams.

Being a top forward and top center a 2 very different things IMO....

Honestly Roy sucks, he'll have games here and there (The same can be said about Stafford)but I can gurantee he'll never eclipse point per game numbers again while playing a FULL SEASON... And I have my fingers crossed that Darcy let's this guy go after next season (Last year on contract.)

Last year were awful with him in the line up even when he was ripping it up (I believe we were last 5 in the league.) Once he went down a much better team showed up and made the playoffs without him and almost knocked off the powerful Philadelphia Flyers ...

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"If you want to know what I've been doing lately, I've been driving around from Tim Horton's to Tim Horton's, rolling up the rim. Haven't won anything yet. Thanks." - Lindy Ruff

Yeah, Roy's injury was why we did good last year. What the fuck man.

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Hey we were winning. And when he showed up I believe it was game 7... Now I don't have to tell u what happened there right?

It can all be coincidental but all in all Roy's not a #1 center... That's my opinion u got yours so lets just drop it and enjoy our Sabres kickin Maple Laff ass...

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"If you want to know what I've been doing lately, I've been driving around from Tim Horton's to Tim Horton's, rolling up the rim. Haven't won anything yet. Thanks." - Lindy Ruff

How is it Roy's responsibility for the other Sabres showing up or not? Is that not THE OTHERS fault? How will you dog Roy for scoring what 30 something points in 30 something games?

Seriously. Roy is a #1 or #2 center on any team. Because of his skill set, because of hit point totals.

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well said.

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I'll give you #2 center. He wouldn't be a #1 center on about 80% of other teams in the league...

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Man, I like your avatar.......

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-Bowler, imitating Freddy Blassie, at the very first M & G.

He's better than many #1 centers in the league.

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"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.

You're right. Here's my take on it:

Roy is better than - Connolly, Weiss, Bergeron, Little, Fisher, Plekanec, Vermette, Ribeiro, Langkow, Elias, Horcoff, Backes and Jokinen
Roy is on par with - M. Koivu, Tavares and Duchene
Roy is not better than - Spezza, Staal, Stamkos, Backstrom, Toews, Datsyuk, Sedin, Getzlaf, Giroux, Crosby, Richards, Kopitar and Thornton

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80%? That would mean that 23 other team's top centres are better than Roy. That's straight up retarded.

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Just tune him out.

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Fixed it for you

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