The problem with most teams is alot of teams need another scorer just like us! I'm not a fan of Roy anymore as his effort and dumb penalites kill me. This team can play without him like they did last year. An upgrade over him would be a huge bonus. Even if they have to throw Grags or Roy to make it a package so be it.

Roy has 28 pims this year and had 16 last year. That means in 14 games this year he's had a penalty and 8 games last year. He doesn't take many penalties. His effort in the offensive zone is great. He can score a lot of points and can score in the shootout.

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But would you trade 2 useless defensemen and Roy for a #1 center?

Roy and 2 useless defenseman would be gone in a heartbeat in my opinion. The team showed last year that they can live without Roy and an upgrade over him would be a bonus.

No, because our problem is not the need for a high scoring #1 center, but the depth of a center. 2 useless defensemen and someone else/picks/both for a #1 or #2 center would make our center depth amazing.

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But 2 useless defensemen isn't exactly appealing

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We are losing defensive liabilities that have long term potential as offensive defensemen. Teams around the league love that and need it. Not us, we have enough right now as it is. And Roy's offensive production is great but he isn't the #1 center that this team needs. The greatest yield for our players would probably come with this trio. Roy will be very attractive to teams for the reasons already stated. His contract is very friendly, he produces points, and can be a teams #1 or #1a center. We can't trade a toilet full of our turds to a team for a #1 center.

We'd have Roy's replacement as our center and other than that our center depth sucks ass.

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Their youth and size along with potential offensive upside makes them very appealing to investors. They could be molded into something great in the long term.

BlueandYellow Ennis is the same version as Roy but he's just not there yet. We don't need so many smallish players on this squad as most won't be able to handle the grind of 4 long playoff series.

Totally agree with this.

#1-Trade
#2-Adam
#3-Hecht
#4-Goose

Remember we can have Leino swing in there as well to provide depth if one goes down.
Don't know about you but that is fine with me. Remember Hecht is no slouch and Adam is legit.

Word is that Stastny is available. (TSN, HNIC, THN.) Duchene and O'Reilly are more productive at this time. The three all get about 18 minutes of ice time a night. Again it's only speculation at this point.

The question you have to ask is has his play dropped off due to the poor team Colorado has; or has he lost his passion for the game?

In 34 games, he has 11 goals and 9 assists. He is less productive than is Derek Roy.

I'd personally say yes; make a move on him. One; he needs a change of scenery, I think. Secondly, we have to make some adjustments. Thirdly, we have some wingers who have had success in the past, or are having current success. Any of them should benefit from playing alongside of him.

He's at about $6 million per; so Roy and Sekera moving on would fit under the respective team caps. Stafford and Sekera would fit as well. I'd rather see Stafford moved, because we would still need a number two center were Roy to leave.

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So if they're so good, why are we always saying how much they're bad? If they're "useless" as you said, and if the Sabres didn't need them, then how would they be appealing to other teams?

@SabresBillsFan

Ennis isn't Roy. Ennis is more of an Afinogenov type player, who's smaller and maybe a bit slower. He always has moves, he's a dangler/puck mover.

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Also, having Hecht, Gaustad, and Adam as 3 of your centers isn't exactly great. Adam hasn't proved himself to be a #1 or #2 center yet. Hell, ROY hasn't proven himself to you yet, and he has more points than Adam.

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Adam has produced and time up will only help him. Hecht is a lot better player then you seem to be giving him credit for. Goose is your perfect #4 center. I don't see a problem upgrading our #1 center will another #1 center.

They have proven worthless to us because we don't need them for what they appear they will become, that being offensive defensemen. We are already stacked with these types. They are young and could be molded in time. Grags could be very good....down the line.

I like the Stafford and Sekera option. Insert Kassian for Stafford and McNabb for Sekera.

This would still leave Roy as a #2 center, bring in a #1.
#1 Stastny
#2 Roy
#3 Adam
#4 Goose
I like this A LOT.

This leaves Hecht as the odd man out.

The fact of the matter is that he doesn't seem to have the legs to keep up in the NHL. I notice the same problems from him that Luke Adam had last year with skating. Adam has improved his skating, somewhat. I'm willing to wait for him to develop a little more into a top-line center, when he can skate an entire season without burning out.

I'm worried that for Kassian, the speed in the NHL is too much for him right now. He should be able to adapt to the pro game at his own speed, and he can't do that in the NHL quite yet.

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@TJLuckman550

With B&Y again. We need a center, but it's counter productive to ditch the best scoring center you have, even if you don't like him that much. I don't know where this comes from, but Roy IS NOT a dumb penalty taker and he's not lazy. He dangles too much at times and turns the puck over in the O-zone...hardly unique to a scoring center.

Having Hecht, Adam, Gaustad, and XXX as centers is weak, just as weak as it is now. Hecht is gone after this season, so keeping Roy is kind of important if we want to be strong up the middle and build a contender. Use other parts (Sekera, Gragnani, Stafford/Boyes) to either trade for a top vet C, or for draft picks that can be dealt for a top 5 draft spot.

I'd be ok with Stastny too, but Buffalo would have to unload contracts, while the Avs would want draft picks to re-build. They would also need to stay above the salary cap floor. Regier probably would not give two players and a high draft pick though.

Even though rookies are played far more often now, you'd still hope to play vets hoping they find their game. Zach, and especially Mcnabb, are still gonna have their "holy fuck" rookie mistakes. I want them to both stay, but I won't shed a tear if they get sent down.

ps if LR is going to refuse to play Vanek-Kassian this year, then send ZK the fuck down. He doesn't need to be another of Lindy's "learn the system first chumps". Wasting Zach on the 4th line is silly. We just signed Cody for 2 years to do that, and he ain't doing it real cheap.