Very good points indeed. My problem with Ehrhoff you mentioned already this team already has a bunch of blueliners in the system and Ehrhoff's stats were blown up by playing with the Sedins and Kesler. The word on Ehrhoff before he signed with Buffalo is he can't hit the net. Leino is a decent player but not worth the kind of money we are paying him and that if they want to trade him eventually no-one will want him because of that contract. He will end up like Wade Redden if this keeps up.

I thought he has a pretty decent bullet from the point which seems to hit the goalie more so than hit the glass. The problem is, the offense isn't either screening well enough or takes too long to set up and the goal squares up.

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OMG, wait a second. I said bring in Arniel as a ASST. Read the post ffs. It IS NOT the job of an asst. coach to motivate the players. It is to teach them, and Arniel knows his X's and O's. Marc Crawford(and his Stanley Cup ring) aren't going anywhere as an asst. I was thinking Arniel might, because he has ties.

Why stick with Lindy till the end of the season? You gain zero from that. Let a new coach get familiar with the players. The sooner the better in that respect.

ps, I'm really glad we finally got PSP to stop drinking the Kool-Aid. They probably do both need to go. Leino is a huge waste of money. Boyes was too. Regehr is old, and won't be here for our glorious cup years. Ehrhoff is 40 million any way you slice it. He's a decent pickup, but far from a key piece of a cup team. I'm just not real big of him being on the books for 10 years. Can you imagine what a joke Pegula will become if 5 years down the road we have eaten and buried 50 million dollars of contracts and still not made a conference final. Lastly, to save any rebuttals, sure, we'd be mad at DR for not making moves, but that's a VERY weak argument. About as weak as keeping these two, because we aren't sure we can do better. Settling isn't for champions, people.

Weren't we all clamoring for a Power Play QB last year? So we went out and got one in Ehrhoff and now we are complaining about it?

I personally think Myers should have been that last year, but I still loved the Ehrhoff signing.

Leino, well so far it's looking bad, but it's not the end of the world with this guy yet. He may come out strong in the second half of the season or even put up some good numbers next year.

Stafford, I fully agree on him, should have a clause he'll only accept one year deals so he plays hard.

Boyes, he started off as a great trade, had 17 points in 22 games with us or something. If he, Leino, and Stafford all keep playing together, I think they can start to be a better force, they can hold the puck and had some great chances in yesterday's game.

I think it's now Lindy's problem. He seems like he wants out and won't change his coaching style to do what is necessary to win. You can see it in the team's struggles.

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This sentence speaks volumes. Why we accept mediocrity, and defend it is beyond logic...

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"I'll rap you with my cane; you pencil necked geek!!"

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If we were signing Leino based on Drury's contract that would be stupid. Why would we compare Leino to Drury? 1 is in his early 20's, Drury is now what, 37???
Stafford scored over 30 goals. I wouldn't want to resign him but after a 30 goal year I don't fault Regier for it.
Darcy DID shake this team up. I know you expect him to make 5 trades, abandon our core, and sign and receive all new players in an offseason, but that's never going to happen. Signing Ehrhoff, Regier, Leino, and getting Boyes is plenty.
He GOT the job done. 100%. Lindy isn't getting the job done with the new players Darcy provided.

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Leino is 28. Dru was 30 when he got his contract. Difference is Dru had 200 goals and 450 points at that time. Lam-o had 30 goals and 70 points. Hope I cleared that up for ya. Oh ya, one was a captain with a Stanley Cup. Care to guess?

My mistake on Leino.

I'm saying comparing Leino to Drury is a stupid thing to do and Drury shouldn't have anything to do with Leino's contract. I remember us saying Leino's contract was a bit much but okay???

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Understandable. Leino was a later than late bloomer. His contract was a Huge gamble by Regier, though. When you roll the dice, and lose, you still have to face the consequences.

My only point is why would you stay on a sinking ship? Life raft or not, you have to do something to save yourself.

I agree with you in that you have to do something to save yourself. I am the type that would like to assess my options first. No life raft- can we build one? Or maybe plug the hole on the current ship? Or use the radio to call for help? I don't like the thought of blindly jumping overboard because someone tells me the ship is sinking and we're all doomed. Abandoning ship like that, willy-nilly, is a reaction without a plan.

I would like to have some constructive conversation here (on the Board) instead of the mindless calls to fire everyone. There are folks here with knowledge beyond mine, and I like hearing the different options that can be thought up.

bringing in arniel as an assistant is actually not a bad idea... remember when we had a power play that actually could produce? you know who coached that power play? arniel.

Saying he lost on half a year is not a good enough.

We don't know if it is a loss or a win yet. 40 games does not make a contract.

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-Bowler, imitating Freddy Blassie, at the very first M & G.

I'm not comparing Leino to the 35 year old Chris Drury. I'm comparing Leino's offseason signing to Drury's offseason signing 4 years ago. Rangers fans were throttled with the Drury signing, even though they thought it was a bit much. Look how it ended up.

The same can be said for our signing of Leino, and it's already started poorly. I don't see a happy ending here.

I was on board with this signing at first, maybe because I was just excited for something new. It's clear to me now that it was deathly stupid to use that much of a cap hit on Ville Leino.

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Drury had a great first two years, got older, and got injured a lot. I don't see Leino getting injured like Drury.

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"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.

What point are you trying to make? That Ville Leino is worth the money as compared to what Drury got from the Rangers?

Because Drury had 2 good years, had a lousy third year and still played 77 games and the Rags missed the playoffs, and then his 4th and last season was injury plagued.

Leino isn't as good as Drury was at that point, and he carries a similar cap hit. Furthermore, his first season as a Sabre is looking like a bust.

Terrible signing by Regier. A guy who Detroit and Philly were both willing to ditch. And look at them. And then in comes Darcy and offers him a 6 year deal at a 4.5 million dollar cap hit.

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Yeah. Philly was really eager to ditch a guy who basically won the Sabres series for them, and who had 53 points and was their hardest worker. Also, if I remember correctly, didn't Detroit's coach say he was sad Leino left? They always talked about him as a skilled forward. I'm wondering why you came to the conclusion they both wanted him gone right away.

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I'm also saying just because Drury's contract didn't work out with the Rangers because he sucked one year and was injured the other in no way applies to Leino's contract, and using that in your argument is just silly. Leino isn't Drury, we aren't the Rangers, and he's probably not going to become injury prone to the point his career ends.

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