I know I know...he's a Republican. But after that, what do people really think is so bad or disappointing about him? Staunch conservatives will pull out the Gingrich lines that he's a moderate or liberal, but what do people from the broader voting base think are his faults?

I wanted a strict budgetary/economic candidate like Mitch Daniels. The GOP wanted him badly as well and tried their best to convince him to run. That didn't work but Romney doesn't seem that far off from Daniels. He's close to falling in line with the fiscal conservative view point that I like, but regardless of his personal views and beliefs on social issues (which Gingrich and others like to call him a "flip-flopper" for) he doesn't care to make them a campaign issue. Besides, social issues really don't change depending on who the president is anyway, as much as some people want to focus on them.

Anyway, just wondering because what I've seen or heard sounds acceptable to me, but perhaps there's some issue or sticking point that I'm not aware of. Appreciate the responses.

Well, personally I dont like that he wants to expand our military spending. I dont see that as fiscally conservative. We dont need to be able to bomb people from the fucking moon, we need to fix our economic problem.

He's not socially conservative enough for primary voters who want red meat.

And some uneducated bigots don't like Mormons.

In reality, a Republican that can get re-elected as governor of Massachusetts is exactly the kind of moderate that can pull enough independent voters to beat Obama.

In the end, that's also exactly why he'll be the nominee.

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I don't disagree about military spending, and I've read that he wanted to put some more funding toward the navy, but otherwise he hasn't been preaching to flood the military with more money, nothing along the lines of bombing people off the earth. I doubt he would expect that to go very far in congress anyway (unlike Gingrich's silly moon station idea). By far and away his campaign is about the economy. Any other issue is a distant 2nd, unless it's an attack against him.

I categorize republicans as people who want to make the rich richer. Mitt Romney has had a history of job removal with his company, and that makes me worry as well.

His comments about the low income with a safety net and not caring about them because he'd rather patch holes in this so called safety net means that he'd rather watch these people completely fall off then help them stay on (so to speak).

These aren't people working for the people, it's CEO's working for the companies (im not singling out republicans/democrats here) and I have yet to see a presidential candidate say he's going to fix that.

The reason I will probably stay with Obama is because he hasn't fucked up at all, he's trying to do things to fix this and that and he's getting held back big time. I strongly believe that Obama has done good considering how Bush's fucked this country over. If being held back is from republican majorities, or whatever, it's coming from our elected officials. I don't buy the "why do we have to pay for the people who don't work as hard as (insert hard worker here)" while most people I know try hard but can't help the situation they're in. Obama is at least reaching out to those people (by passing healthcare reform) but what was shot out of proportion was that it was a choice. All that was forced was that you had to have some sort of healthcare, and it was VERY cheap, but if you have your own you weren't going to lose that.

Too many people believe what they read without even trying to think about it. Romney could come out and say that milk is purple, and there would be a lot of people that believe him. Obama could do the same too. I hate seeing what seems more logical and watching people bitch about it being wrong, especially those who bring religion into the discussion. Pro-Choice vs. Pro-Life. Gay Marriage Laws. Let the church say no to performing gay marriages, but don't let the gov't take away the ability to marry someone you love just because they are the same sex.

I choose to believe that Romney is only in the game to continue to fill his pockets and make sure his brothers in the buisness fill theirs too. He IMO has NO want to help the middle/lower class. I still don't get why the rich are taxed less than the poor/middle class. Yet it's people like Romney who are campaigning to tax the rich less because they "create jobs", but IMO thats a bunch of bullshit.

I can't make more money because of the economy, but the rich corporations are still charging more and more for their goods, making it less affordable for me, pushing me into the poor class.

Of course, I've no time to go digging around for supporting resources, and it's all what I believe.

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Yeah, I'm glad when he said that $870 Billion was going to keep unemployment under 8% he was right, otherwise that would have been a HUGE waste of money and probably would have been considered a fuck up by some people.
Oh, and all those shovel ready jobs...oh wait, he admitted himself that was a fuck up.
Bailing out GM, giving the company to the UAW and pushing them to poop out the volt for PR purposes...all home runs.

If you can't admit the man has made some mistakes you're brainwashed.

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OK, he hasn't fucked up as much as most politicians. I'm not saying he's perfect by any means. Funny thing is I knew of all I said you'd jump on that the fastest. You're so predictable Ed, sheesh .

I do wish he'd do a few things differently, and agree about the bailouts, but can I assume that since you only got me for that one sentence that you agree for the most part with the rest of what I say?

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No, not at all...I won't argue for Republicans, but when you say "they want to make rich people richer" you're just philosophically wrong.
Fiscally conservative, free market principles have the aim of making EVERYONE richer.

Let Obama and the Democrats demonize the rich and play class warfare...that's all they know because they NEED an underclass to make their arguments sound valid.

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When the rich don't create jobs, and get all these tax breaks because they're supposed to create jobs, why not demonize them. They're fucking the poor over!

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I know lots of rich people who are not, in fact, fucking the poor over. They run companies with good health care, they give lots of money to charity and the generally make their communities a better place to live.
That's an ad hominem attack I'd love for you to back up.
If you're upset about our tax code, get mad at the people who wrote it to be a tool of political influence and social engineering, not the people you allege benefit from it.

Rich guy Romney gave $2.9 million to charity last year...14% of his income. How dare he fuck over the poor like that.

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Well that depends on what charity. Plus I'll rephrase to say the poorer american citizens. Bill gates gives money to children in Africa, thats not putting the money back into America. I put more than 14% of my income into car payments, more than half my income into rent because I can't afford a home right now. I don't think this proves he isn't trying to screw over the poorer american citizens.

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Also, the rich people I know even tell me that the republicans are screwing over the majority of the american population. He's happy paying less in taxes....

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The fact he said the poor have a safety net is sad. Why is our game plan to let them get so poor they NEED that safety net? Not to mention he'll gladly take a low tax rate. People say it's legal, which is true, for whatever reason, but that probably means he's not going to change it if he becomes president.

Also, charities aren't going to save 15.1% of the American population. Not even close.

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Oh whatever, thats like playing well in a contract year.

So... what does Mitt Romney stand for, exactly?



Of course, why would you want a President, who takes an oath to defend the Constitution, to know what the Constitution says?



Who doesn't like a President that supports indefinite detention of American Citizens without the right to a trial?

He says that those who join Al Qaeda don't deserve a trial. But who deems them a member of al Qaeda if they're not judged by a jury? Him?

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Please provide specific examples to back up your droning talking points.


uh, no, he does every year.
Mormons actually believe that 10% thing in the Bible that most Christians ignore.

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Obama supporters sure do.
But it's ok, he said to trust him that he'd never use that power, so that's cool with me.

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He makes his income through capital gains...you know investments.
Those are taxed at a lower rate to encourage people to invest.

I have no friggin idea why people can't square this in their heads.

Again, Romney didn't write our disgusting tax code, people like Obama and Barney Frank did.

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I know that.

Doesn't mean Romney isn't wrong for it either. You know just as well as I do that and Mitt Romney presidency wouldn't differ very much at all from a Barack Obama presidency.

That's why, no matter who's on the ballot, Ron Paul has my vote. The momentum the liberty movement is the most important thing to me during this election.

I'm sure as hell not voting for a President that supports bills like NDAA.

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Yeah, that was pretty messed up. He's managed to alienate a lot of his base with decisions like that.