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BlueandYellow
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:58 pm 
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Any player at anytime can be moved no matter how bad of a contract or how bad they are. This means Leino too. Package Leino with Roy and a 1st to a team that has salary like the Isles or Panthers then there you go you free up salary to go after the guy you want. Plus FLA loves guys like Leino, there whole team is comprised of Leino's.

I don't want to trade Vanek. If our star player can't hack being a whipping boy for our head coach it's simple the coach has to go.

Roy is a must trade if Darcy and team management don't see that then they shouldn't be in this business of hockey.

Another guy I want to get rid of is Sekera. He commits so many turnovers. I believe it was his giveaway that destroyed our chances at loffs in the Philly game.

In a couple of years we will clear up a considerable amount of salary though. With Vanek, Pominville, Miller and McCormick set to be UFA's. Think pretty close to $20 Million? Miller IMO will walk or will at least test the UFA market if we haven't made some success in the playoffs and coaching he IMO will leave. Pominville I see staying. Vanek I think will go with the highest bidder as he did back when he was a RFA.

Doesn't mean anyone would WANT to do it.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
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Any player at anytime can be moved no matter how bad of a contract or how bad they are. This means Leino too. Package Leino with Roy and a 1st to a team that has salary like the Isles or Panthers then there you go you free up salary to go after the guy you want. Plus FLA loves guys like Leino, there whole team is comprised of Leino's.

I don't want to trade Vanek. If our star player can't hack being a whipping boy for our head coach it's simple the coach has to go.

Roy is a must trade if Darcy and team management don't see that then they shouldn't be in this business of hockey.

Another guy I want to get rid of is Sekera. He commits so many turnovers. I believe it was his giveaway that destroyed our chances at loffs in the Philly game.

In a couple of years we will clear up a considerable amount of salary though. With Vanek, Pominville, Miller and McCormick set to be UFA's. Think pretty close to $20 Million? Miller IMO will walk or will at least test the UFA market if we haven't made some success in the playoffs and coaching he IMO will leave. Pominville I see staying. Vanek I think will go with the highest bidder as he did back when he was a RFA.

Doesn't mean anyone would WANT to do it.


Doesn't mean anyone wouldn't do it

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Jammerz04 wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
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Any player at anytime can be moved no matter how bad of a contract or how bad they are. This means Leino too. Package Leino with Roy and a 1st to a team that has salary like the Isles or Panthers then there you go you free up salary to go after the guy you want. Plus FLA loves guys like Leino, there whole team is comprised of Leino's.

I don't want to trade Vanek. If our star player can't hack being a whipping boy for our head coach it's simple the coach has to go.

Roy is a must trade if Darcy and team management don't see that then they shouldn't be in this business of hockey.

Another guy I want to get rid of is Sekera. He commits so many turnovers. I believe it was his giveaway that destroyed our chances at loffs in the Philly game.

In a couple of years we will clear up a considerable amount of salary though. With Vanek, Pominville, Miller and McCormick set to be UFA's. Think pretty close to $20 Million? Miller IMO will walk or will at least test the UFA market if we haven't made some success in the playoffs and coaching he IMO will leave. Pominville I see staying. Vanek I think will go with the highest bidder as he did back when he was a RFA.

Doesn't mean anyone would WANT to do it.


Doesn't mean anyone wouldn't do it

It certainly does.

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Unless we get an offer we can't refuse, yes, I want Roy back next year.

He had one bad year after an extended recovery where he couldn't skate. That for me is not enough to freak out about. We can't just get rid of people every time we think they are under-performing. For example, there were many people here who said we should trade Miller this season, because he was struggling. Yes, he was struggling, but only for about 20-25 games. But he was still the Olympics MVP, has his name on the Vezina, and is a proven winner; and he was struggling to overcome concussion symptoms. By the end of the year, he was back to his old self (or better). Over-reacting and not approaching big decisions objectively is no way to run a hockey club. Nobody leaves their wife for good because she burned dinner the last 3 nights.

Roy's a good PK and PP guy. He's valuable in the faceoff circle. He's cheap, too. At only $4M he was more efficient than Vanek from a $ per point consideration. Even in this off year Roy was $91K per point and Vanek $117K per point. Roy was only $58K per point his last full season, which he led the Sabres in scorong btw. Also, center is our biggest need. Even if you don't like Roy, we still need him.

As for Vanek, he's not going anywhere with that contract. We're stuck with him.


Vanek is absolutely tradeable if a team wants him that badly. I'm pretty sure Edmonton wouldn't mind grabbing him for four 1st rounders. ;)

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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
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Unless we get an offer we can't refuse, yes, I want Roy back next year.

He had one bad year after an extended recovery where he couldn't skate. That for me is not enough to freak out about. We can't just get rid of people every time we think they are under-performing. For example, there were many people here who said we should trade Miller this season, because he was struggling. Yes, he was struggling, but only for about 20-25 games. But he was still the Olympics MVP, has his name on the Vezina, and is a proven winner; and he was struggling to overcome concussion symptoms. By the end of the year, he was back to his old self (or better). Over-reacting and not approaching big decisions objectively is no way to run a hockey club. Nobody leaves their wife for good because she burned dinner the last 3 nights.

Roy's a good PK and PP guy. He's valuable in the faceoff circle. He's cheap, too. At only $4M he was more efficient than Vanek from a $ per point consideration. Even in this off year Roy was $91K per point and Vanek $117K per point. Roy was only $58K per point his last full season, which he led the Sabres in scorong btw. Also, center is our biggest need. Even if you don't like Roy, we still need him.

As for Vanek, he's not going anywhere with that contract. We're stuck with him.


Vanek is absolutely tradeable if a team wants him that badly. I'm pretty sure Edmonton wouldn't mind grabbing him for four 1st rounders. ;)


Ya I wish. Edmonton's looking dangerous now. They just need a reliable d-man and obviously a good goalie then they will be the west;s Penguins.

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I'm keeping Vanek, yes he had a bad second half of the season, but you always forget his very impressive run with Pominville in the early stages of the season.

To bipolar. You keep Pominville, Hodgson, Vanek on a line all year and you'll see a very dominating line for us. And it gives us a great first two lines with Foligno, Ennis, Stafford together and Roy can be third line.

Boom, two legit scoring lines from that and the third line with Roy on it would instantly become another possible scoring line. Yesm Roy sucked dick last year, but his contract is nothing for what he can and has shown to provide to the team offensively and defensively.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
I'm keeping Vanek, yes he had a bad second half of the season, but you always forget his very impressive run with Pominville in the early stages of the season.

To bipolar. You keep Pominville, Hodgson, Vanek on a line all year and you'll see a very dominating line for us. And it gives us a great first two lines with Foligno, Ennis, Stafford together and Roy can be third line.

Boom, two legit scoring lines from that and the third line with Roy on it would instantly become another possible scoring line. Yesm Roy sucked dick last year, but his contract is nothing for what he can and has shown to provide to the team offensively and defensively.


I dunno about Roy bro. Yes for his contract he's alright but I'd honestly look for something else right now and actually get something for him before he leaves next offseason. One guy I think would definately make this team a whole lot better is jarret stoll. Guys fuckin awesome. He's awesome defensively, wins faceoffs like nothing, scores and can be counted on on the PK and PP. Seeing that Roy is pretty much one sided player, Stoll would be the better option for all-around team talent. There's no chance of Parise coming here so we gotta set our sites lower and I dunno why people wanna keep Roy now. Everyone was moaning and crying to get rid of him during the season why change minds now?

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427 points in 549 games isn't too bad, he produces decently enough. Hell in a contract year I don't want to rid of the guy, my mind can be changed easily on him though. Only reason I keep him is because of our two inexperienced guys at center in Ennis and Hodgson. Once those two grow, Roy is gone. If they don't perform up to par, you can always shuffle Roy back between Pominville and Vanek then.

I'm more realistic on the fact no one would or should want the guy after last year. Team scoring in general was terrible and he is more of a disher than shooter.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
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Unless we get an offer we can't refuse, yes, I want Roy back next year.

He had one bad year after an extended recovery where he couldn't skate. That for me is not enough to freak out about. We can't just get rid of people every time we think they are under-performing. For example, there were many people here who said we should trade Miller this season, because he was struggling. Yes, he was struggling, but only for about 20-25 games. But he was still the Olympics MVP, has his name on the Vezina, and is a proven winner; and he was struggling to overcome concussion symptoms. By the end of the year, he was back to his old self (or better). Over-reacting and not approaching big decisions objectively is no way to run a hockey club. Nobody leaves their wife for good because she burned dinner the last 3 nights.

Roy's a good PK and PP guy. He's valuable in the faceoff circle. He's cheap, too. At only $4M he was more efficient than Vanek from a $ per point consideration. Even in this off year Roy was $91K per point and Vanek $117K per point. Roy was only $58K per point his last full season, which he led the Sabres in scorong btw. Also, center is our biggest need. Even if you don't like Roy, we still need him.

As for Vanek, he's not going anywhere with that contract. We're stuck with him.


Vanek is absolutely tradeable if a team wants him that badly. I'm pretty sure Edmonton wouldn't mind grabbing him for four 1st rounders. ;)

Vanek IS tradeable, no question. Cammallari was traded, and he has a $6M cap hit, is one year older, and has an attitude problem. People who think Vanek's contract makes him unmovable don't follow trades and aren't aware that MANY teams will have a lot of cap space next year.


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7 mill for a 60 point man isn't really movable. It CAN happen but I don't see it happenING.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
7 mill for a 60 point man isn't really movable. It CAN happen but I don't see it happenING.


I don't think you should be judging Vanek by this season only. He would be one of the best if he had a coach that wouldn't be on his ass all the time. The guy can easily net 40+ in any given season. And that makes him movable VERY MOVABLE.

Besides the 2nd half of this year he was almost a point per game player. I'm hoping he stays otherwise we've lost another great scorer.

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Jammerz04 wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
7 mill for a 60 point man isn't really movable. It CAN happen but I don't see it happenING.


I don't think you should be judging Vanek by this season only. He would be one of the best if he had a coach that wouldn't be on his ass all the time. The guy can easily net 40+ in any given season. And that makes him movable VERY MOVABLE.

Besides the 2nd half of this year he was almost a point per game player. I'm hoping he stays otherwise we've lost another great scorer.


Saying he could net 40+ in any given season is a little far-fetched, seeing as he's only hit 40 twice (06-07: 43, 08-09: 40). He's a great player, but being as injury-prone as he is, it's tough to say he can do it any given year. Vanek, however, has become a much more complete player since he's been in Buffalo, shown by his assist numbers being higher than his goal totals, which I think shows how he's transformed into more than just a goal-scorer.

Speaking of which, the Sabres really need to hire a new strength and conditioning coach, because the guy that does it now clearly isn't cutting it with all the injuries we suffer to major players throughout the year.

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Jammerz04 wrote:
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7 mill for a 60 point man isn't really movable. It CAN happen but I don't see it happenING.


I don't think you should be judging Vanek by this season only. He would be one of the best if he had a coach that wouldn't be on his ass all the time. The guy can easily net 40+ in any given season. And that makes him movable VERY MOVABLE.

Besides the 2nd half of this year he was almost a point per game player. I'm hoping he stays otherwise we've lost another great scorer.

Even when Vanek gets the ice time he deserves he most certainly is not 7 million and would not be one of the best by a long shot.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
Jammerz04 wrote:
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7 mill for a 60 point man isn't really movable. It CAN happen but I don't see it happenING.


I don't think you should be judging Vanek by this season only. He would be one of the best if he had a coach that wouldn't be on his ass all the time. The guy can easily net 40+ in any given season. And that makes him movable VERY MOVABLE.

Besides the 2nd half of this year he was almost a point per game player. I'm hoping he stays otherwise we've lost another great scorer.

Even when Vanek gets the ice time he deserves he most certainly is not 7 million and would not be one of the best by a long shot.


With the production Vanek gets with what little ice time he receives, that's kind of debatable.

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He got more ice time than Ennis (shifts per game)... Ennis seemed to be doing better than him when Ennis actually played.

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Jammerz04 wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
7 mill for a 60 point man isn't really movable. It CAN happen but I don't see it happenING.


I don't think you should be judging Vanek by this season only. He would be one of the best if he had a coach that wouldn't be on his ass all the time. The guy can easily net 40+ in any given season. And that makes him movable VERY MOVABLE.

Besides the 2nd half of this year he was almost a point per game player. I'm hoping he stays otherwise we've lost another great scorer.


Exactly. Just like the Bills - except for those last 11 games, they had an amazing year.


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Seems like we're stuck with the guys we have.

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Seems like we're stuck with the guys we have.


It's the middle of the playoffs. Why would you say that?

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i would move roy. hodgson and ennis are top 2 C's so why have roy? move roy to a team that needs scoring in the worst way, and pick up a top 6 winger, or a pick. or package him.

getting rid of leino wont happen. as it shouldnt. A. it was just one year, and B. it would look really bad to potential free agents that, heck, you may have just signed a huge contract but they will move you ASAP if you play even marginally disappointing. leino wasnt the only one to suck last year.

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i would move roy. hodgson and ennis are top 2 C's so why have roy? move roy to a team that needs scoring in the worst way, and pick up a top 6 winger, or a pick. or package him.

getting rid of leino wont happen. as it shouldnt. A. it was just one year, and B. it would look really bad to potential free agents that, heck, you may have just signed a huge contract but they will move you ASAP if you play even marginally disappointing. leino wasnt the only one to suck last year.

Fully agree with this.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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