I'm sorry but my liberal stations and liberal media are how I learned about the Kyoto Protocol. So, like I said, don't be ignorant if you're gonna spout of at the keyboard about something you know nothing about. Just because you feel a certain way without having any knowledge of which you feel strongly about doesn't make you an expert on anything.

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Um...Kyoto is a steaming pile of crap and most of the signatories regret signing.

Any international treaty dealing with pollution is useless unless China and India sign on. Period.

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Did I say I was an expert? No. Now who is being ignorant? Come on lets put some more words in my mouth why dont you? Stop attacking me and try to debate what youare trying to convey to me. Because now your just taking the Ad Hominom route...

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Well, that I did not know and I regret not knowing it. Now I feel like an arse.

I apologize for yelling at you, Rut.

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mechaphil

Its cool dude, Nor worries I just dont like being critized for what I believe, im sure your the same way, we are friendly sabres fans remember We can just agree to disagree haha. But ya I always like hearing the other side, so I can understand them better. so no worries dude

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Actually, let me correct myself...China and India have signed on to Kyoto...they're just not doing anything about it.
China's CO2 emissions have increased 120% in the last 10 years.

EDIT: I like this stat
Between now and 2012, the increase in Chinese coal-based emissions will exceed the entire level of coal-based emissions in the United States.

Stunning.

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Speaking of, 1/10 through the season and the Sabres look pretty good

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mechaphil

Indeed they are! I believe that we have the 05-06 Sabres back in action, (just different players of course)

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You just said that we don't have enough research to be able to paint a realistic picture, or have enough information to say one way or the other, then go on to say that you think Global Warming is a myth.

How hypocritical can you get?

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Why is it hypocritical to have an opinion? Opinions are by definition not fact.

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Alright, fair enough, I just don't understand the logic in saying there isn't enough information to form an opinion, and then forming an opinion.

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I think he was quoting what Kevin Williams said. Global warming is theory....not fact. Theories are hypotheses with credible deductions. There are however, theories against global warming. Each side has equal opinions. Many times, and hopefully more times than not, each faction will be open minded for the good of mankind and the Earth, and not close minded, not willing to listen, and opinionated beyond reason. For me, I stated before, that the Earth will return itself to equilibrium eventually in spite of human intervention and return to the normal wave of temperature extremes which take thousands of years to complete.....possibly 27 thousand years, the same as the complete oscillation of the Earth's axis. However, we don't have a fraction of evidence to prove anything either way. We do have enough evidence and sense to stop the pollution and go toward a different direction than the finite quantity of carbon fuels, if nothing else than to stop world wide killing for control of oil....wait, we are doing that in the Middle East......it is starting.

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Myth meaning its a Urban Legend? Like people say things about it. They say its there. But I dont believe its true? I dont see how thats hypocritcal...

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Here's a crucial thought experiment (that I believe got a scientist fired at the weather channel. Correct me if you know this to be untrue):

"What is to say that today's current average global temperature is the ideal?"

Think about it. There's all this push to stop the warming, but do we really have any idea of what will happen if the earth does warm? What is the ideal temperature for the earth? How is it determined? Will the same scare-tactics be used to battle global cooling if we are below that "ideal temperature"?

My opinion is this- weather and climate are so complex that we can only sort of understand it in the short term. I think our understanding in the long term is basically nothing. When modeling climate statistically, you have to include and exclude certain parameters, making assumptions on how they affect things. I think the models used to predict climate and its effects out into the future are far too simplistic as to be completely meaningless. Current models did not predict the last 10 years of basically steady temperature. They do not include effects from changes in the sun, precipitation, etc.

Is the earth warming? Yeah, at least up until about 1999, probably. Though the surface temperature measurements may be suspect. Is man causing the warming? I highly doubt that, when you look at the huge range of temperatures before the industrial age (Ice ages anyone?), at least in a single-cause idea. Is man a factor? Maybe. Is warming bad? Who knows?

And so, with so much inherent doubt about our understanding, to make major, life-changing policy decisions that will have drastic effects on people's lives and the economy as a whole is foolish. Idiotic, even. We don't understand enough to make educated decisions.

Now, granted, this doesn't mean I support companies dumping chemicals down the sewer, or companies developing technologies to utilize alternative sources of energy or improve efficiency. I just think compelling individuals, corporations or the country in general to take various measures along these lines is destructive. Let the market work.

Ham

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Well Said!

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PFL (President For Life) Obama is in the process of shutting down the Chamber of Commerce for dissenting with The Party's position on global warming. Tread very cautiously with your opposition to The Party's policies, my friend, for disloyalty is not something they take lightly.

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the obama things kinda gettin a little old.

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If by that you mean how he's constantly taking control of more and more aspects of the private sector while maintaining that he doesn't "want to own car companies" or the rest of the economy, or if you mean how he constantly portrays those he disagrees with as extremists or kooks, then I would agree with you. It is getting old.

Ham

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Yeah, because the right doesn't protray the left as a bunch of kooks either...

I think he means what is getting old are ETC's ridiculous comments every time Obama's name comes up, comments that are basically trolling.

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Warning those who are not supportive of The Party to be very careful of what they say and where they say it is not trolling, it's a public service. I just don't want to see any Sabres fans erased as unpersons! As far as President Obama is concerned, you better believe my household will be voting for him in the next elections...I am not going to risk myself or my family being placed on the Enemies List if I can still avoid it.

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Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way. I can't wait to look in the mirror, 'cause I get better looking each day. To know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man. Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, but I'm doin' the best that I can.