I blame Mick Jagger for the getto shuffle...

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I try to think, but nuttin happens.......Curley Howard
There is no past as it exists merely as a slippery bond tying the memories of the past to the dreams of the future.............Me
If we started life as an old person and lived until we were young, we would eventually finish off fucked as an orgasm.......George Carlin

Thank you Kurt Cobain, for birthing the age of not washing your hair and three chord progressions backed with lyrical nonsense. Pearl Jam did it better, anyhow.

As a guitar player, Sky, I'd expect more out of you. I agree, he's an overrated pile of ca-ca.

Heroin and Courtney Love certainly helped, didn't they? He invented a genre by being fucked up and talentless. The only reason they took off was because of whole-sale disillusionment in rock music and the teenage bracket at the time. Pearl Jam (the message) and Soundgarden (the music) did it 18 million times better.

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It all makes me want to smack myself in the head with a hammer.....And we wonder why young-uns are so angry..... I blame Keith Richards for hyper-activity.

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I try to think, but nuttin happens.......Curley Howard
There is no past as it exists merely as a slippery bond tying the memories of the past to the dreams of the future.............Me
If we started life as an old person and lived until we were young, we would eventually finish off fucked as an orgasm.......George Carlin

That's easy, Ice - all the little faeries that live under rocks all over Iceland that she believes in!

Every time you say "I do believe in faeries!" Bjork sells another record!

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He didn't marry that crackwhore Love until after Nevermind was released. She certainly didn't help things.

He started getting high as a relief from a stomach problem that he could never get diagnosed. He was in almost constant pain, and unfortunately the only thing that he found to give him any relief was heroin.

I knew about the stomach problem, but I find it a bullshit reason that he went after heroin instead of a medicine. That heroin sure was costlier in the end, now wasn't it.

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No disagreement that choosing heroin wasn't the right choice, but do some more digging on his history of medical issues. He spend years trying to find something that worked, and had no luck at all.

Kinda wish he would have stuck with the medical weed.

a good guitar player, cobain was not. master marks man, he was the best.

oh shit.

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Oh shit, I wouldn't even go there

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i go where no others have gone before.....

there was a roast on comedy central a few years ago, i think it was pam anderson. anyways, courtney love was there, and she was wasted. just fucking acting bat shit crazy. finally someone, cant remember who it was goes "courtney, you look worse then kurt cobain!" i laughed real hard.

edit: im only kidding about the master marksman. but an interesting theory is nirvana would be a virtual unknown amoungst current music lovers had he not killed himself. alot of interest generated towards nirvana was after he killed himself. hell, thats the only reason i heard of joy division and ian curtis.

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I don't agree with this at all.

Nevermind was unavailable for good periods of time after it was released because Geffen wasn't prepared for the demand. On the European leg of the tour for that album, they considered canceling shows because the venues were so oversold they were concerned they would be too dangerous that full.

Nevermind knocked Michael Jackson off the #1 spot on the Billboard charts 4 months after it was released. It was certified platinum ONE MONTH after it was released. It's been certified 10 TIMES PLATINUM, over 10 million copies sold.

Granted, a lot of this success was based on 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' and the beginnings of the MTV generation, but regardless, successful it was.

I'm sorry, but Nirvana in the early 90's was HUGE. To theorize that they would be a 'virtual unknown' had Cobain not offed himself is just untrue.

I'm definitely not a Nirvana fan by any means, but Tom is right about that theory being horseshit, Mike. They were selling records like crazy long before he popped himself.

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I never said he was my musical influence, and not saying he was this guitar god, because by no means was he all that great at guitar.

I just stated how he created Grunge as we know it today.

Plus my guitar influences rank to the likes of Stevie Ray Vaughan, Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Van Halen, Albert King, Freddie King, and Randy Rhoads. All players who destroy Cobain in that aspect.

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There will be no conversation about guitar players without mention of John McLaughlin, Al DiMeola, David Gilmour, Steve Hackett, Alan Holdsworth, and Robert Fripp.

Carry on.

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-Bowler, imitating Freddy Blassie, at the very first M & G.

My brother would love to talk Al DiMeola and Robert Fripp with you, Howie.

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well no shit. but the whole nirvana craze likely would have died down, and they certainly wouldnt have outlasted pearl jam. thats my opinion. its like that with alot of artists who died. i really do not think jim morrison and the doors would be even mildly popular today with todays youth had he not decided to die in a bathtub in paris. and im a big jim morrison fan. but by no means was a he very talented musician. just a great lyricist. thats my theory.

just imagine for a second, that instead of breaking up, cedric bixler zavala died instead of disbanding at the drive-in... imagine how popular they would be.

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David Gilmore can sing lyrics with his guitar..... rarely does so much depth come out of one instrument. How Eric Clapton....Robin Trower....How about this hottie from Kitaro?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ulc51ZOGQk

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I try to think, but nuttin happens.......Curley Howard
There is no past as it exists merely as a slippery bond tying the memories of the past to the dreams of the future.............Me
If we started life as an old person and lived until we were young, we would eventually finish off fucked as an orgasm.......George Carlin

I think it's a stretch to assume what MIGHT have happened if they had not died.

Well, Mike, give me your take on John Lennon being killed.

And Morrison wasn't ever a musician. He was always a lyricist and singer. Ray Manzarek was the musical brains behind the doors.

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