FEAR!!!!
Fear of a worthless dollar and hyper-inflation.

Please explain how we can possibly pay for a public option Stuuuuuu.

Did you read that article from the UK? elderly patients are sometimes being mis-diagnosed as close to death and subsequently killed. The people in power over here (democrats) would like to be more like the people over there (the EU in general)...so yeah, I'm afraid of that.

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I'm not the one who says this bill can't cost anything. If we can go into debt bailing out banks who lend too much to too many, if we can go into debt to "make Irag a better place" for Halliburton to build bases, then we can go into debt to provide healthcare to our citizens.

1. Premiums paid for by enrollees.
2. Cost savings from more proactive treatments. (Dollar of prevention, pound of cure.)
3. Systemic fixes and enforcement for Medicare to reduce fraud.

That's not even an argument. Let me try that out on my wife.

"Hey honey, since we spent all that money on a new car for you I'm going to go pick up Elliot Spitzers hooker for a few hours."

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Sounds about right, S'tu'uuu'... I couldn't have said it better myself!

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Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way. I can't wait to look in the mirror, 'cause I get better looking each day. To know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man. Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, but I'm doin' the best that I can.

I thought you had just retired from political commentary? That didn't take long...

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Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way. I can't wait to look in the mirror, 'cause I get better looking each day. To know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man. Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, but I'm doin' the best that I can.

Again that's the UK. What they do is not a factor in the outcome in the US. It's a dangerous scenario of what could happen but it doesn't mean it is fated to happen. It's like when most people in Europe said they would prefer Obama over McCain.... oh dear Jebus.

I know the US and the UK aren't completely separate independent systems but I don't think what one does on healthcare holds anymore influence over the other for this issue. The US passed a bill to allow people to carry firearms in National parks. I don't think the UK is too worried that the same will happen over there.

Don't get me wrong. What they are doing in the UK is wrong. I'm not here to argue over that. If anything that's a great example of what not to be doing. So thank you UK for showing us what idiocy looks like. I'm sure the US will return the favor though with some stellar economic policies.

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Those are the exact same talking points used in Maine to sell universal health care and specifically a public option.
Those are the exact same talking points used in Massachusetts to sell universal insurance coverage.
The only problem was none of it worked out that way.

Are we that stupid?

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The road to hell is paved with good intentions....
We just want to cover everyone and let the government pay for poor people...just like them...so where do we differ exactly?

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The problem with the research industry is there is an overwhelming doctrine of not curring diseases. Really there are more people out there figuring out ways to treat a problem than people trying to cure it. Why not bleed a cash cow a little more? If you cure the problem what happens to all that easy reliable money?

Also unless millions of people are affected by something research companies don't invest money into trying to find a treatment. Hence tuberculosis research in the US is primarily funded by Bill Gates. It's a problem in third world countries but not here. Most of those countries can't afford the drugs so research companies don't put any money into tuberculosis research. For whatever reason, Bill Gates cares and writes checks to help combat it.

And prevention in this country is a bigger challenge to tackle than healthcare reform. Getting people to change their life style is pretty ridiculous.

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We didn't have the money for either of the two examples I gave in that post, but the government found a way to pay for them because they felt they were a priority. So again, if it's OK to borrow to bail out bankers and fund a useless and unpopular war, then what's so wrong with borrowing to cover our citizens? That IMO, should be a much, much bigger priority if, as Ice said earlier, the people of this nation are the boss.

The government already pays for poor people. If you are poor enough, you're covered for a lot of things. We differ from the UK in the details as well in values. Just wanting to cover everyone doesn't make us the carbon copy of the UK.

The UK also passed a ton of policy on revamping their train system in the mid 2000s. I didn't see that happen here. But we both have trains and want people to use them. So why didn't we follow suite? Because few Americans really gives a damn about trains in the US. Why do we have a bill of rights for credit cards coming? Because there is sadly now a need for them. Why doesn't the UK follow our lead? They are an independent country from the US.

It just happens that both the UK and US have healthcare systems in desperate need to catch up to the year 2009. Sure we have common ground but the devil is in the details. We're both democracies but how we go about doing things democratically differs greatly. I don't see why healthcare is any different. We borrow things from each other, usually the things that work, and what that article was talking about clearly doesn't work.

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The Party doesn't pay for things, they just take money from the people and use it as they see fit. If The Party decides they will confiscate more money to nationalize an industry, than we should be thankful they have done this act of kindness and hope that in the future they will take even more money, because we clearly can't be trusted with it ourselves.

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Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way. I can't wait to look in the mirror, 'cause I get better looking each day. To know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man. Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, but I'm doin' the best that I can.

Normally, I'd be laughing ETC, but you're starting to sound a little cracked in the coconut. You should probably put the Orwell down now. Just sayin'

Seriously though, you're sounding batshit insane.

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How do you know I'm not batshit insane?

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Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way. I can't wait to look in the mirror, 'cause I get better looking each day. To know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man. Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, but I'm doin' the best that I can.

That's a good question, but I think my batshit insane radar would have detected a big-ass blip the night I met you, your wife, sister, and brother-in-law. Unless that means I'm batshit insane, too. In which case, woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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Sane enough to make you think I could be normal, batshit crazy enough to make you sometimes wonder...

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Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way. I can't wait to look in the mirror, 'cause I get better looking each day. To know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man. Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, but I'm doin' the best that I can.

I think that can be summed up as being "Dah Pah-Tee Stahh-tah"

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I think we need to raise the terror alert status of this thread to mauve.

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I prefer taupe...or chartreuse. Definitely chartreuse.

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