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Nancy Pelosi is one of the all time greatest Speaker's of the House
1. Absolutely! As always, President Obama is right. 22%  22%  [ 4 ]
2. You gotta be fucking kidding me, right? 78%  78%  [ 14 ]
3. Who's this Pelosi, and what's the Speaker of the House? 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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Can someone explain to me what is so bad about Pelosi?

I really don't know much about her.


Anyone?

Um...she's a far left ideologue that has no business in a leadership position.
She represents the only district, in probably the entire country, that would see fit to elect her.

She's a hypocrite of the highest order, calling herself a "ardent, practicing Catholic" while racking up a career of advocating abortion, including public funding for abortion.

She Lied about the CIA not telling congress about waterboarding when in was proven she was personally in the room when such techniques were discussed.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22654.html

She likes to take her family and friends on over seas junkets paid for by taxpayers.
http://www.mlive.com/opinion/flint/inde ... age_t.html

She likes to paint her political opponents as violent, racist and unhinged.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capito ... g_mil.html

She ran scared from constituents over the summer and said town hall protesters were "un-American" and that they were carrying "swastikas"...which was a lie. This runs contrary to a statement she made in 2006 when she said “I’m a fan of disruptors.” when talking about Iraq war protesters.


She felt that $30 million of the "stimulus" money would be best spent protecting the salt marsh harvest mouse...of course...in her district.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... se-cookie/

Should I go on?

She's #3 in line to run the country. If the US were a parliamentary system, she'd be our leader.
I'm not saying the leader of a party in the House should be a centrist, but they should at least be a moderate in their party. She's to the left of almost everyone in Congress.

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Um...she's a far left ideologue that has no business in a leadership position.
She represents the only district, in probably the entire country, that would see fit to elect her.
This is not useful to me. I know where you stand, good for you, really.

She's a hypocrite of the highest order, calling herself a "ardent, practicing Catholic" while racking up a career of advocating abortion, including public funding for abortion.
Again, not very useful. I don't know what the orders of hypocrisy are. Clearly you don't like her and want to magnify your statement that she is a hypocrite. Fine.

She Lied about the CIA not telling congress about waterboarding when in was proven she was personally in the room when such techniques were discussed.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22654.html

She likes to take her family and friends on over seas junkets paid for by taxpayers.
http://www.mlive.com/opinion/flint/inde ... age_t.html

I think given what's been presented those two are pretty reprehensible, though likely actions not limited to a few politicians.

She likes to paint her political opponents as violent, racist and unhinged.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capito ... g_mil.html
I don't know where you got that from the article or speech.

She ran scared from constituents over the summer and said town hall protesters were "un-American" and that they were carrying "swastikas"...which was a lie. This runs contrary to a statement she made in 2006 when she said “I’m a fan of disruptors.” when talking about Iraq war protesters.
Source?


She felt that $30 million of the "stimulus" money would be best spent protecting the salt marsh harvest mouse...of course...in her district.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... se-cookie/

Includes $30 million for wetlands restoration that the Obama administration intends to spend in the San Francisco Bay Area to protect, among other things, the endangered salt marsh harvest mouse.

Present the whole story and let the reader make a decision. Don't cherry pick points to slant things towards your views or present the opposing view as ridiculous. Cross "Michael Moore" Check.




Should I go on?

She's #3 in line to run the country. If the US were a parliamentary system, she'd be our leader.
I'm not saying the leader of a party in the House should be a centrist, but they should at least be a moderate in their party. She's to the left of almost everyone in Congress.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
She likes to paint her political opponents as violent, racist and unhinged.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capito ... g_mil.html
I don't know where you got that from the article or speech.

huh?
She's directly comparing town hall protesters to the anti-gay violence in San Francisco that killed Harvey Milk.
Is that hard to understand? She's being quite plain about it.

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She ran scared from constituents over the summer and said town hall protesters were "un-American" and that they were carrying "swastikas"...which was a lie. This runs contrary to a statement she made in 2006 when she said “I’m a fan of disruptors.” when talking about Iraq war protesters.
Source?

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/08/ ... titialskip <--un-American
http://www.breitbart.tv/06-flashback-pe ... isruptors/ <--fan of disruptors
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... tikas.html <--swastikas
google is your friend.
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She felt that $30 million of the "stimulus" money would be best spent protecting the salt marsh harvest mouse...of course...in her district.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... se-cookie/

Includes $30 million for wetlands restoration that the Obama administration intends to spend in the San Francisco Bay Area to protect, among other things, the endangered salt marsh harvest mouse.

Present the whole story and let the reader make a decision. Don't cherry pick points to slant things towards your views or present the opposing view as ridiculous. Cross "Michael Moore" Check.


among other things That have no fucking business in an economic stimulus bill. You know, the reason I pointed that out.


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Crosscheck wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
She likes to paint her political opponents as violent, racist and unhinged.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capito ... g_mil.html
I don't know where you got that from the article or speech.

huh?
She's directly comparing town hall protesters to the anti-gay violence in San Francisco that killed Harvey Milk.
Is that hard to understand? She's being quite plain about it.

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She ran scared from constituents over the summer and said town hall protesters were "un-American" and that they were carrying "swastikas"...which was a lie. This runs contrary to a statement she made in 2006 when she said “I’m a fan of disruptors.” when talking about Iraq war protesters.
Source?

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/08/ ... titialskip <--un-American
http://www.breitbart.tv/06-flashback-pe ... isruptors/ <--fan of disruptors
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... tikas.html <--swastikas
google is your friend.
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She felt that $30 million of the "stimulus" money would be best spent protecting the salt marsh harvest mouse...of course...in her district.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... se-cookie/

Includes $30 million for wetlands restoration that the Obama administration intends to spend in the San Francisco Bay Area to protect, among other things, the endangered salt marsh harvest mouse.

Present the whole story and let the reader make a decision. Don't cherry pick points to slant things towards your views or present the opposing view as ridiculous. Cross "Michael Moore" Check.


among other things That have no fucking business in an economic stimulus bill. You know, the reason I pointed that out.



Don't ask loaded questions if you don't want a loaded response.


I don't see the issue. 30M out of 789B is less than a hundredth of a percent. Certainly there are worse things that are funded with the bill. I don't know specifically what wetland restoration would provide in terms of job creation and economic stimulus, but I doubt it's nothing.

What should be an economic stimulus bill?

I literally know nothing about her, it wasn't that loaded a question. I don't mind the loaded response either, though I would expect it more in the form of conservatively (for lack of a better term) slanted articles rather than opinions and meaningless exaggerations.

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I don't see the issue. 30M out of 789B is less than a hundredth of a percent. Certainly there are worse things that are funded with the bill. I don't know specifically what wetland restoration would provide in terms of job creation and economic stimulus, but I doubt it's nothing.

Well seeing as this was the first major bill signed by Obama, and he campaigned on not signing anything with an earmark, it seems a tad outrageous to me that the leader of his party in the house would do just that.
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What should be an economic stimulus bill?

IMO?
Tax cuts
Research grants
Aid for state and local governments
Funds for shovel ready projects
etc.
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I literally know nothing about her, it wasn't that loaded a question. I don't mind the loaded response either, though I would expect it more in the form of conservatively (for lack of a better term) slanted articles rather than opinions and meaningless exaggerations.

Sorry if I came across as harsh...but you basically asked "so what's bad about Nancy Pelosi?"
You're obviously not going to get both sides of the conversation with a question like that. I was just answering.

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What's not to like about a woman that wants government funded abortion?

http://thehill.com//blogs/blog-briefing ... py-with-me


Abortions do a lot more for society than you give them credit for... http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2 ... #more-3805

Read the article; the guy gives a pretty compelling argument of how abortion solved a lot of the issues related to crime in the 1990's.

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Crosscheck wrote:
What should be an economic stimulus bill?
IMO?
Tax cuts
Research grants
Aid for state and local governments
Funds for shovel ready projects
etc.


Isn't there quite a bit of that in the bill already? I know that we've been rushing to get several projects out the door in the hopes of getting stimulus money.

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Crosscheck wrote:
What's not to like about a woman that wants government funded abortion?

http://thehill.com//blogs/blog-briefing ... py-with-me


Abortions do a lot more for society than you give them credit for... http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2 ... #more-3805

Read the article; the guy gives a pretty compelling argument of how abortion solved a lot of the issues related to crime in the 1990's.

I'm not touching that with a 10 foot pole ;)
My point is, abortion is a very contentious issue, morally and politically, and most reasonable people would agree tax dollars should not go to fund it.
Pelosi's stance is outside of the norm, even of her own party, and in defiance of her chosen religion.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:
What should be an economic stimulus bill?
IMO?
Tax cuts
Research grants
Aid for state and local governments
Funds for shovel ready projects
etc.


Isn't there quite a bit of that in the bill already? I know that we've been rushing to get several projects out the door in the hopes of getting stimulus money.

Yes, there is some of all those things in the bill along with a lot of other, non-economically stimulating things.
The bulk of the money won't be spent until 2011, so the notion that government is pumping money into shovel ready projects to create jobs now is dubious at best.

Here's a good resource
http://www.propublica.org/special/the-s ... f-spending
Allow me to "cherry pick" again
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Filipino World War II veterans compensation $198,000,000
Historically black colleges and universities preservation $15,000,000
Violence against women prevention and prosecution programs $225,000,000
ATF Project Gunrunner $10,000,000
Internet crimes against children initiatives $50,000,000
Census Bureau programs $1,000,000,000

All fine and noble issues to be sure...but what exactly do those things stimulate? What jobs do they create?

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