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Godzilla1960
 Post subject: Is the GOP for anything?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:11 pm 
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I know very well what the Republican Party is against. Starting with President Obama and going right down to the lesbian couple who live next door, the GOP has been very clear about what they don't like.

I just can't figure out what they are for.

The only thing I have to go by is the six years when they controlled the White House and the Congress. That was their chance to show us where they wanted to lead the country.

Based on that information I can only guess that they are for fear, big government intrusion into private lives, tax breaks for the wealthy, and endless war.

Now their big contribution to the political discussion on health care is scare tactics and legislative stalling tactics. Is there anyone alive in America today who doesn't think we can do better with health care? Yet, the Republicans have no ideas for us. "Our goal is to make it as difficult as possible for" Democrats to pass health care reform, said House Republican leader John Boehner.

Great leadership.

Take a look right here at the politics list of topics on our message board for a snapshot of the modern GOP. Lots of anger against Obama and lots of ridicule of the Democrats, but nary a word about why anyone (other than angry, white, Confederate die-hards) should ever vote for this party.

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If you think the topic titles here are one sided perhaps you should contribute more.

However I suggest a simple google search would most likely turn up the official GOP platform if you really want to know what Republicans are for (I assume you don't however or you would have done that).

Regarding Boehners statement; I think that dovetails quite nicely with Barney Frank saying:
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"We're trying on every front to increase the role of government."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... nment.html

So to sum up your post, members of the GOP are:
Homophobes
fear mongers
war mongers
white
southerners

Cool, let me try my hand at that.
Democrats are all communist, surrendering traitors that want nothing more than to forcefully abort christian babies and teach kindergartners how to perform fellatio on transvestites.

EDIT: Look...I know it's a popular thing to say oh, Republicans aren't for anything. But you know what...that's absolute crap.
They're not for what the Democrats are trying to sell...why is that unusual? It's not.
I don't remember Democrats cheerleading for the Contract with America do you?
The GOP doesn't have any control or bullypulpit right now so they're marginalized, fine, but your premise is plain wrong.
They have their own ideas for health care reform
http://www.gop.gov/solutions/healthcare
their own ideas for stimulating the economy
http://www.gop.gov/solutions/stimulus
etc. etc.

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Too bad the GOP didn't have a chance to put those health care ideas into effect. Oh, but wait! They did.

I'm not the one defining the GOP as homophobic white southern men. They are doing that themselves. In case you didn't notice there is a civil war going on in the GOP and the loonies are winning. Witness the NY 23.

I welcomed reasoned debate and believe that if you can't sell your ideas to the public through rational argument then maybe those ideas weren't very good to begin with. However, the GOP has abandoned reasoned, rational argument in favor of fear mongering and appeals to emotion.

The Democratic Party had to face down its more liberal wing (I know, I'm part of it) in order to gain broad popularity. The Republicans are going to have to do the same thing with their wacko right. I don't hear any moderate Republican or conservative voices admonishing the extreme forces pulling the party to the fringe.

The party of Palin/Limbaugh/Beck is destroying the party of Kemp/Powell/Romney.

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The Republicans are self-imploding right now and I am loving every minute of it. They are calling out members of their own party deeming them "not conservative enough." Awesome job guys, split the party and spend money and time fighting your own party.

I love it.
Sorry to anyone who is republican because there are some decent ideals, but overall the party, it's christian values(which should have NO effect on government you religious fucking freaks), and their idiotic ideologies have no place in a government and society that wants to move forward.

I'm not saying the Democrats are much better, but in a party based system (which the Founding Fathers warned against) you have to pick the lesser of two evils.

I really believe that if we all just listened to the teachings and ideologies of Plato and Aristotle people would be alot more intelligent and have a much clearer perception on the world and life.


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Well this went about as far as far as I thought it was. Democrats suck. Republicans suck. The system is broke. Go Green Party.

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I guess it's just tough to know what the GOP really stands for, because the noise from the Becks and Limbaughs just overshadows everything.

My disagreements with the GOP are pretty basic.

1. Deregulation doesn't work. While I'm sure there are some examples of success stories, the failures are more numerous and the problems caused more egregious. I know that the Dems have been responsible for some deregulation too, but the GOP has trumpeted it for years. If you leave corporations to do their own thing, they will never police themselves, and the nation as a whole suffers.

2. Economic growth is more than just tax cuts. The standard 'tax cuts' refrain is, in my view, simply a way to appeal to those that are overtaxed, and to get them to vote Republican. It's failed for years to provide meaningful growth.

3. I respect those that have religion. However, don't force your morality on me. Don't stand in front of a mic and tell me how gay marriage is immoral and a danger to our country, then go back to your office and have dirty IMs with 16 year old congressional pages.

4. If I don't agree with you, it doesn't mean that I don't love my country. I know that this is more of a far right thing than main party policy, but the fact is it's said or implied too often for my tastes.

It's just my take on things. I just want to have meaningful discussion about how to fix things, not how to keep my office and the status quo. (And yes, that applies to both parties. )


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If anything, I would say that over the last 20-30 years, the GOP has done a much better job of standing for something than the Democrats. They stood for lower taxes, and keeping the government out of your life, IF you ran a business.

IF, on the other hand, you were trying to get an abortion, or to have a homosexual relationship legally recognized, or lived in a country they felt like invading, they were decidely for the government getting involved with your life.

May not have been a platform I agreed with, but they definitely stood for something.

The democrats, on the other hand, have, in my opinion, spent that same last 20-30 years trying to become more and more like Republicans. They became anti-tax, anti-regulation, pro-war, and more and more socially conservative (just don't ask and we won't tell), anti-immigration, and overall let their social conscience take a back seat to their wallets.

I should, by American standards, be a democrat, but I am not. At this point in history, the democrats thmselves are riding an anti-government wave, with a capital W. They might try to really define what it is they really stand for if they want to stay on top.


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I have much to say on this...and will do so on the morrow during my morning cuppa.

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nnyfan wrote:
I have much to say on this...and will do so on the morrow during my morning cuppa.

Saying on the morrow makes me think of that awesome commercial...but for now, we shall laugh and feast :D

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
Too bad the GOP didn't have a chance to put those health care ideas into effect. Oh, but wait! They did.

You're joking me right?

The Democrats controlled both houses for the better part of 40 years (1954-1981 roughly).
The GOP had control of the Senate only from 1981-87 then both houses from 1994-01 and (barely) from 2002-2006 and you blame them for inaction???

Go use that line against someone who doesn't know modern American history.

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This post is right up my alley...

The Party has proven they know what's best for us, and opposition represents nothing but racism and injustice to mankind and the planet. Stomping them out means progress for us all! We must not tolerate their spreading of lies and disinformation!

We need to watch them closely, these dirty, ignorant, fundamentalist, confederate, redneck racists of the opposition, for if given an inch these dissidents will take a yard. The damage they seek to do is most dastardly, vile and dangerous, and banning their available avenues to spread their lies is critical.

Yes, we must watch them very closely indeed. The Party's law enforcement czars must diligently silence the spreading of criminal thoughts that the dissidents spew every chance they get, lest they succeed in their despicable mission to ruin all that we have just to satisfy their greed, and their stance against Health Care for all is a perfect example.

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to [email protected].

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I think, just like the Whig, Federalists, and other parties, the time of the GOP/Republicans are coming to an end.


Their demise, ironically enough, resembles the fall of the Federalists.

Conservationist beliefs however, will not be lost
http://www.cpnys.org/

the state party that, I believe, will replace the GOP after the final demise

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Montalo wrote:
I think, just like the Whig, Federalists, and other parties, the time of the GOP/Republicans are coming to an end.

Nope...notgonnahappen

It is strongly in the interest of both parties to maintain what appears to be righteous opposition.
Both parties will ebb and flow in popularity, but their very existence is symbiotic.

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End The Curse wrote:
Stale paranoid post

I don't think many people are laughing anymore, ETC, and I'm pretty sure we doubt you're serious when you post these (I know I do).

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Crosscheck wrote:
Montalo wrote:
I think, just like the Whig, Federalists, and other parties, the time of the GOP/Republicans are coming to an end.

Nope...notgonnahappen

It is strongly in the interest of both parties to maintain what appears to be righteous opposition.
Both parties will ebb and flow in popularity, but their very existence is symbiotic.


Agreed. It's also why we will never have a viable third or fourth party government. It is in the best interests of the Democrats and Republicans to hold down the Greens and Libertarians. Ross Perot fucking things up pretty much ended any chance of any third party credibility in this country.

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mechaphil wrote:
I don't think many people are laughing anymore, ETC, and I'm pretty sure we doubt you're serious when you post these (I know I do).

Hopefully nobody is laughing.

One should understand the sad reality that the original post and the one that I made were equally stale, equally unfunny, and, in terms of message, nearly identical in content. Though one of us knows better, knowing better can often times be an awfully lonely, heavy and potentially dangerous burden to bear.

When reading the last paragraph of my above post, understand that it came directly from the White House website and not the rantings of some message board clown spouting off Orwellian paranoia.

If my chosen method of expressing my political views is not welcome, I will just stick to the Sabres and ignore these threads in the future. I am not here to change the world...just make fun of it.

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End The Curse wrote:
There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to [email protected].


ETC, if you can step out of character for a second (LOL), I'm curious as to what your objection is to this. I assume your sarcasm on it means you object to it.:)


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Squanto wrote:
End The Curse wrote:
There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to [email protected].


ETC, if you can step out of character for a second (LOL), I'm curious as to what your objection is to this. I assume your sarcasm on it means you object to it.:)

IF I were to object to it, and that's not saying that I do or don't, I would object to the administration encouraging everyone to report any evidence of dissent to the White House website where they will be stored as a permanent record.

Why would the administration want to have dissenters reported? Probably not to send them Christmas cards and thank them for spreading "disinformation" (btw, could The Party possibly have chosen a more Orwellian example of Newspeak than that? Almost hard to believe it's coincidental!)...

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Sk8haggard9 wrote:
The Republicans are self-imploding right now and I am loving every minute of it. They are calling out members of their own party deeming them "not conservative enough." Awesome job guys, split the party and spend money and time fighting your own party.

I love it.
Sorry to anyone who is republican because there are some decent ideals, but overall the party, it's christian values(which should have NO effect on government you religious fucking freaks), and their idiotic ideologies have no place in a government and society that wants to move forward.

I'm not saying the Democrats are much better, but in a party based system (which the Founding Fathers warned against) you have to pick the lesser of two evils.

I really believe that if we all just listened to the teachings and ideologies of Plato and Aristotle people would be alot more intelligent and have a much clearer perception on the world and life.


You do realize that the democrats are now fighting within their own party? haha,

And while there is the seperation of Church and State, just because someone is Christian it is going to affect a persons choices and decisions and how they live their life, cuz Christianity is a moral commitment where you define right and wrong and follow God. So if a Politicial is christian then there are bound to be decision they make which are influenced by Christianity.

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Montalo wrote:
I think, just like the Whig, Federalists, and other parties, the time of the GOP/Republicans are coming to an end.


Their demise, ironically enough, resembles the fall of the Federalists.

Conservationist beliefs however, will not be lost
http://www.cpnys.org/

the state party that, I believe, will replace the GOP after the final demise



To be honest, if the party is at its final demise, I don't believe that a Conservative party will rise from the ashes of the Republican party, because the way I see it, Liberal is to Democrat as Conservative is to Repbulican. I dont believe that a Conservative party could sustain itself without the help of another bigger party. But thats just my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

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