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 Post subject: Re: Congrats Yankee fans
PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:14 pm 
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criminal, I don't agree with the claimed perception that Jeter is viewed as "Mr. Clutch" by baseball fans as a whole. He has simply been in so many post season games that he has been in that situation more than many other players, maybe every other player. Again, offensive numbers go down in the post season, so I'm not impressed that his average w/risp is lower. Any other player that has had so much success would be viewed the same way, and like it or not, as a Yankee he has a bigger fan base than anyone else. Any Yankee's popularity will get a boost just for this reason alone. It's common sense, not some overblown status crowned upon him.


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The playing field in baseball is so assinine as to not even be taken seriously anymore. Pittsburgh fans stay away in droves, and fans in other cities are getting turned off as well.

Until this changes, I have no interest in the game at the Major League Level. The Yankees teams under Joe Torre that won were more homegrown, and I respect their accomplishment much more than I do this years team.

I have to admit though; if it was my Cleveland Indians that had bought the title, I'd be pleased. It isn't, and I'm not.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:37 pm 
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What about when Larry and Tommy buy the Sabres a Stanley Cup? :o

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:40 am 
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baseball is the perfect sport. its the most challenging, while the most simple at the same time. dont fuck with it. the strategy involved in baseball is more then any other sport.

Baseball isn't the perfect sport.

Like I said, it takes too long, How many pitches are going to get thrown at a guy before he finally swings at it, 20?

Make it three pitches total, and if the pitcher gives him one impossible swing, he walks to first or the pitcher gets replaced.

Not enough action in Baseball to get many people into it now. It's way to boring.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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Howie Hodge wrote:
The playing field in baseball is so assinine as to not even be taken seriously anymore. Pittsburgh fans stay away in droves, and fans in other cities are getting turned off as well.

Until this changes, I have no interest in the game at the Major League Level. The Yankees teams under Joe Torre that won were more homegrown, and I respect their accomplishment much more than I do this years team.

I have to admit though; if it was my Cleveland Indians that had bought the title, I'd be pleased. It isn't, and I'm not.


I don't disagree with you, though it is interesting to point out that typically the best team in baseball is around 100-62, and the worst around 60-102. This would be the equivalent of a 10-6 team being the best in the NFL, and a 6-10 being the worst. Clearly not the case, and the NFL is supposed to have a level playing field.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
baseball is the perfect sport. its the most challenging, while the most simple at the same time. dont fuck with it. the strategy involved in baseball is more then any other sport.

Baseball isn't the perfect sport.

Like I said, it takes too long, How many pitches are going to get thrown at a guy before he finally swings at it, 20?

Make it three pitches total, and if the pitcher gives him one impossible swing, he walks to first or the pitcher gets replaced.

Not enough action in Baseball to get many people into it now. It's way to boring.


Do you just completely not understand the rules of baseball? Six pitches max assuming nothing is fouled. If pitches are fouled, the at bat can extend indefinitely, but it rarely goes over 10. Likewise, playoff football or hockey can also extend indefinitely.

There is nothing wrong with the game, it's all the crap that happens in between the game. In my opinion, the NFL is much worse with commercial breaks.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:22 pm 
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I never knew about the 6 pitches max, but that is really still too much IMO. It always seemed like there was a thousand pitches thrown out.

And how can Football or Hockey compare to the length of Baseball and such? Those are sports with a lot of action, and commercials in football games is never that bad at all. In Hockey, a one hour game roughly takes around 2.5 hours to complete, a 1 hour game of football takes around 3 hours because the clock can be stopped.

I don't see how a commercial in football does anything really, most of the times they only show commercials during timeouts, end of quarters, and after TD's or scores, and possibly when a play that stops the clock has been made.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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There's no 6 pitch max rule. I think he was making a point that most at bats don't go longer than 6 pitches.

In 2009, the MLB average for the number of pitches seen by a batter per plate appearance was 3.83. Highest was Colorado (3.99), lowest was San Francisco (3.62). So, on average, an at bat only lasts 4 pitches or so.

The issue with baseball is that there's too much downtime allowed between pitches. There's rules that try to get batters in the box quicker, keep them there, etc. There's rules that say a pitcher must deliver a pitch within 12 seconds of a batter getting into the box. There's rules that say the umps should break up conferences on the mound. However, those rules are not universally enforced, so they become useless.

The other problem is the specialization of relief pitchers. It's not uncommon for a manager to make a pitching change, have that pitcher come in, take his warmup throws, pitch to a batter, then have the manager come back out for another pitching change, warmup throws, etc... It's gets very out of hand. That alone probably adds 30 minutes a game at least.

The problem I have with commercials in football is that there are just too damn many. Take a scenario such as follows: (Very hypothetical, since it involves the Bills scoring TDs.)

Bills score a TD. Kick the XP. Commercial break.
Bills kickoff to Miami. Change of possession timeout, commercial break.
Miami goes 3 and out. Punts to Buffalo. Change of possession timeout, commercial break.
Etc...etc..

There doesn't need to be a commercial break after every change of possession. It's all money, I know, but it's stupid.


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Squanto wrote:
There's no 6 pitch max rule. I think he was making a point that most at bats don't go longer than 6 pitches.

In 2009, the MLB average for the number of pitches seen by a batter per plate appearance was 3.83. Highest was Colorado (3.99), lowest was San Francisco (3.62). So, on average, an at bat only lasts 4 pitches or so.

The issue with baseball is that there's too much downtime allowed between pitches. There's rules that try to get batters in the box quicker, keep them there, etc. There's rules that say a pitcher must deliver a pitch within 12 seconds of a batter getting into the box. There's rules that say the umps should break up conferences on the mound. However, those rules are not universally enforced, so they become useless.

The other problem is the specialization of relief pitchers. It's not uncommon for a manager to make a pitching change, have that pitcher come in, take his warmup throws, pitch to a batter, then have the manager come back out for another pitching change, warmup throws, etc... It's gets very out of hand. That alone probably adds 30 minutes a game at least.

The problem I have with commercials in football is that there are just too damn many. Take a scenario such as follows: (Very hypothetical, since it involves the Bills scoring TDs.)

Bills score a TD. Kick the XP. Commercial break.
Bills kickoff to Miami. Change of possession timeout, commercial break.
Miami goes 3 and out. Punts to Buffalo. Change of possession timeout, commercial break.
Etc...etc..

There doesn't need to be a commercial break after every change of possession. It's all money, I know, but it's stupid.

funny thing. in like 1998 or something like that, when Torre was still with the Yankees he brought in Andy Pettitte just to pick a guy off first. never threw a pitch, just picked the guy off and was taken out of the game.

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Squanto wrote:
There's no 6 pitch max rule. I think he was making a point that most at bats don't go longer than 6 pitches.

In 2009, the MLB average for the number of pitches seen by a batter per plate appearance was 3.83. Highest was Colorado (3.99), lowest was San Francisco (3.62). So, on average, an at bat only lasts 4 pitches or so.

The issue with baseball is that there's too much downtime allowed between pitches. There's rules that try to get batters in the box quicker, keep them there, etc. There's rules that say a pitcher must deliver a pitch within 12 seconds of a batter getting into the box. There's rules that say the umps should break up conferences on the mound. However, those rules are not universally enforced, so they become useless.

The other problem is the specialization of relief pitchers. It's not uncommon for a manager to make a pitching change, have that pitcher come in, take his warmup throws, pitch to a batter, then have the manager come back out for another pitching change, warmup throws, etc... It's gets very out of hand. That alone probably adds 30 minutes a game at least.

The problem I have with commercials in football is that there are just too damn many. Take a scenario such as follows: (Very hypothetical, since it involves the Bills scoring TDs.)

Bills score a TD. Kick the XP. Commercial break.
Bills kickoff to Miami. Change of possession timeout, commercial break.
Miami goes 3 and out. Punts to Buffalo. Change of possession timeout, commercial break.
Etc...etc..

There doesn't need to be a commercial break after every change of possession. It's all money, I know, but it's stupid.


Or the awesome sequence of...

timeout - commercial - injury - commercial - punt - commercial - TD - commercial - kickoff - commercial

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