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EDIT: Last page has most recent article.

Anyone following this murder trial at all?

What are your thoughts thus far?

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Info can be found 2 posts down.

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 Post subject: Re: Amanda Knox Case
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I need some info.......... :?:

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 Post subject: Re: Amanda Knox Case
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Howie Hodge wrote:
I need some info.......... :?:


Sorry... it's been going on for so long I thought I was late to the party. Here's some info on CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/12 ... index.html

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Perugia, Italy (CNN) -- American student Amanda Knox took the stand for a second time Thursday, telling jurors in her Italian murder trial she is not an "assassin" who killed her former roommate.

Knox and her Italian former boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, are charged with murder and sexual violence in the November 2007 knifing death of Meredith Kercher. Knox and Kercher, a British exchange student, were roommates. A third suspect was found guilty in a separate trial and is appealing.

"They say that I am calm. I am not calm," Knox said in Italian. "I fear to lose myself, to have the mask of the assassin forced upon me. I fear to be defined as someone I am not."

Knox and Sollecito were arrested shortly after the November 2007 slaying.

"After years of prison, I confess that I feel sad and frustrated," Knox said. "In front of you, I feel vulnerable, but I am confident of what I know. My lawyers, my family and my friends save my life every day.

"I also thank the prosecutor because they are doing their work, even though they do not understand, and because they are trying to bring justice to a person who was taken from this world."

Knox previously testified in June, when she said she was not home at the time of the slaying.

Sollecito also testified Thursday.

"I am not a violent person," he said. "I've not killed Meredith. I was not at the scene of the crime. Everyday I hope that the guilty one confesses. I ask you to give me back my life," he said.

Sollecito did not face any questioning.

Before his testimony, prosecutor Manuela Comodi offered a rebuttal to defense claims of sloppy evidence-gathering at the crime scene. She focused on the technical aspects of the evidence against Knox and Sollecito and questioned the forensic arguments used by the defense. She also defended the investigators, calling them professionals who stayed out of the media show surrounding the case.

Comodi rejected allegations that Sollecito's DNA found on a bra belonging to Kercher could have been contaminated. Other than a cigarette butt in the kitchen with Sollecito's DNA on it, she said, investigators did not find his DNA anywhere else in the house. The bra, the prosecutor said, was found in the bedroom where Kercher was killed. Forensics investigators wore gloves when retrieving the bra, Comodi said.

That proves, she said, that Sollecito was at the crime scene when the slaying took place.

Sollecito also left other traces of having been in the house, including footprints, she said. Some of the footprints were found in the bathroom, Comodi said.

On Wednesday, a defense lawyer for Knox made an impassioned plea to the jury.

"We suffer at the memory of Meredith. But we look at the future of Amanda," Luciano Ghirga said in his defense summation.

"Meredith was my friend," he quoted Knox as saying, rejecting the notion that the American student hated her roommate.

Prosecutors say Kercher died during a twisted sex game in which Knox taunted Kercher while Sollecito and acquaintance Rudy Guede sexually assaulted her.

The prosecution says a knife found in Sollecito's house had Knox's DNA on the handle and Kercher's on the blade, among other pieces of evidence.

But Ghirga rejected the accusations against Knox.

He attacked the way police and prosecutors had treated the defendant.

Ghirga concluded an emotional oration -- sobbing as he came to the end -- by asking the judge and jury to acquit Knox, because her mother asked him to request it, because her family asked it.

Knox's father, Curt, said Wednesday she had been a victim of "character assassination."

Members of Kercher's family have declined repeated CNN requests for comment.

But prosecutor Giuliano Mignini accused the defense of "lynching" the Italian police who worked on the case.

He defended the work of the police and the credibility of the prosecution witnesses as he responded to Ghirga's arguments Wednesday.

And he called again for life sentences for Knox and Sollecito if they are found guilty. Italy does not have the death penalty.

The jury is expected to begin deliberations Friday, after the prosecution completes its summary.

Another Knox attorney on Tuesday said the prosecution's theory doesn't fit the facts of the case and there is not sufficient evidence to find Knox guilty.

Calling Knox a victim, Carlo della Vedova said police rushed to judgment, leaving Knox to fend off a myriad of false media reports regarding the crime.

The lawyer showed photos published in the media, purportedly showing the crime scene, that weren't authentic, and said false allegations and rumors about Knox's character created a bias from the start.

Della Vedova also questioned the change in what prosecutor Mignini said was the motive for the killing.

In preliminary hearings Mignini argued Knox, Sollecito and Guede slashed Kercher's throat during a sexual misadventure as the two men vied for Knox's attention. In recent days, Mignini has focused more on what he says was a hatred between the two roommates.

Defense lawyers have staunchly disagreed, claiming the two women were friends.

Ghirga said they had gone to a chocolate festival together days before Kercher was killed.

The defense has argued that Guede, who was convicted in a separate fast-track trial and is appealing his conviction, was the sole killer. The defense has said there is no evidence tying the three suspects together or proving they planned Kercher's murder.

Della Vedova also focused during closing arguments on the lack of evidence tying Knox to the crime scene.

As defense lawyers have throughout the trial, he cast doubt on DNA evidence prosecutors claim shows Knox's DNA on a knife. The defense has claimed the knife doesn't match Kercher's wounds or an imprint of a knife left on a bedsheet. They also claimed the DNA sample is too small to be conclusive.

During the first day of closing arguments for Knox's lawyers, della Vedova stressed to the eight-member jury that they should also keep church law in mind. He told the jury they needed to be "morally certain of their decision."

"If you have the minimum of doubts, you must absolve this young girl -- a girl that is merely 22 years old," he said.

Knox and Sollecito have been jailed for more than two years. Their trial began in January. The trial began in January in Perugia, a university town about 115 miles (185 kilometers) north of Rome.

CNN's Richard Greene in Italy and Mallory Simon in Atlanta contributed to this report.

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I am so very wary of information that comes out during a trial, considering some of the trials I've researched in retrospect only to find that the media was dead wrong in how they presented things at the time, leading millions of people to believe wrongly while they were at it... But usually, in those cases, all the "information" that comes out supports the prosecution's case... this is an interesting reversal of that, after reading that article, although that could be a case of "an American is being tried in a foreign country O NOES."

I don't know exactly how the justice system works in Italy; is it extremely similar to ours, regarding reasonable doubt? I would find her not guilty, based purely on that article...

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<edit-I am not certain my response was a well thought out post, and was a more visceral than logical response.>

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acrossthelines wrote:
I am so very wary of information that comes out during a trial, considering some of the trials I've researched in retrospect only to find that the media was dead wrong in how they presented things at the time, leading millions of people to believe wrongly while they were at it... But usually, in those cases, all the "information" that comes out supports the prosecution's case... this is an interesting reversal of that, after reading that article, although that could be a case of "an American is being tried in a foreign country O NOES."

I don't know exactly how the justice system works in Italy; is it extremely similar to ours, regarding reasonable doubt? I would find her not guilty, based purely on that article...


The justice system in Italy, as I've come to know it, is nowhere near as good as the justice system here in the US.

The council for the prosecution is currently being tried for unfair practice. I'm not sure how he is allowed to represent when he himself is under review.

In addition, it has been said that the crime scene investigation was extremely "sloppy" and that much of the DNA evidence is tainted and inconclusive.

A forensic specialist has said that the wounds and markings on the victim's body indicate a 1 person attack. He has also deduced that the stab wounds don't match up with the knife the prosecution has identified as the murder weapon.

On the other hand, Knox's testimony has had a lot of contradicting statements, suggesting that she was trying to cover something up.

Who knows. I caught onto this case late, and I'm still doing all kinds of reading to draw an opinion.

My purpose in posting this was to see if anyone had been following this from the start so I could get another perspective.

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End The Curse wrote:
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Me too. :shhh:

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I wonder what Seymour and Northrup would have to say.

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But that's what's so intriguing about this case.

It's the murder trial involving a "sex game" and an attractive, young American college student in a foreign country.

It's like a fucking movie for crying out loud.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
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I would.

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Me too. :shhh:

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Here's an interview with Amanda Knox's mother, talking about the DNA reviews done in the US, and how it compares to the job they're doing in Italy:


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End The Curse wrote:
PuckSniperPensel wrote:
End The Curse wrote:
I would.

Me too. :shhh:

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calm down boys it looks like someone has gotten to her first....

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Quick...she needs some Abreva!

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Crosscheck wrote:
End The Curse wrote:
PuckSniperPensel wrote:
End The Curse wrote:
I would.

Me too. :shhh:

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calm down boys it looks like someone has gotten to her first....

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Quick...she needs some Abreva!

:shock: Exit stage right for Mr. Stiffy, and a hearty welcome to the thread, Mr. Softy.

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That's what happens when you spend over a year in prison.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
The justice system in Italy, as I've come to know it, is nowhere near as good as the justice system here in the US.

The council for the prosecution is currently being tried for unfair practice. I'm not sure how he is allowed to represent when he himself is under review.


Well, that I can understand; I think that we're in the wrong in America more often than a lot of other places when it comes to things like that. Despite the law, everyone seems to lean much more towards "guilty until proven innocent," and people are routinely fired when charged with something, only to be found not guilty in court. I don't think that a person should be ostracized from the public or lose his job, etc., based purely on allegations, until/unless he is proven guilty. People are falsely accused of things too often to do that, I think, and it's maddening because not only are they severely punished by the public for something they did not do, but it cheapens real crimes, insults real survivors and families...

OT: It's interesting, though, how corrupt prosecutors tend to be in comparison to defense attorneys. I don't think a lot of people have any idea about that... Again, I don't know how it works in Italy, but here, at least, prosecutors are also politicians, and as a result they are overzealous much more often than defense attorneys are weasels, particularly in high-profile cases. It's... just interesting.

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In addition, it has been said that the crime scene investigation was extremely "sloppy" and that much of the DNA evidence is tainted and inconclusive.

A forensic specialist has said that the wounds and markings on the victim's body indicate a 1 person attack. He has also deduced that the stab wounds don't match up with the knife the prosecution has identified as the murder weapon.

On the other hand, Knox's testimony has had a lot of contradicting statements, suggesting that she was trying to cover something up.

Who knows. I caught onto this case late, and I'm still doing all kinds of reading to draw an opinion.

My purpose in posting this was to see if anyone had been following this from the start so I could get another perspective.


Hmmm. Typically contradictions are indicative of, you know, lying (unless made in certain circumstances; but usually, if the story isn't straight, that's not all that great). lol. Perhaps she did not stab her roommate, but held her down while the other did. That's basically speculative BS, buuuuut yeah.

Whooo knooooows. I'm sure that eventually the transcripts will be put on the internet (I'm assuming that trials are transcribed in Italy just as they are here; I can't imagine why they wouldn't be). They're available for pretty much every other trial that the media has reported on, if you really want to find them and look hard enough. I've read them for several cases. They're fascinating, and sometimes frustrating. "WHAT?! They didn't report this!" I'm sure everything will be clear after reading those... somewhere down the line.

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Why has she been in jail for two years before they started the trial?

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if you killed someone, why wouldnt you the murder weapon to, say a river, and throw the son of a bitch in the middle of it?

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if you killed someone, why wouldnt you the murder weapon to, say a river, and throw the son of a bitch in the middle of it?

cause if you've ever watch CSI you know that they will find any weapon in any body of water no matter what and bodies always get found. even if you bury the feet in concrete and then drop them in. a hair will float up and then your busted.

afterwards you'll have some retarded detective say "well...i guess their plans are sunk"

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