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leviticus 20:13


In my mind, this quote clearly says the Abrahamic religions should kill gay people. If you don't follow your bible you aren't christian, and if you do then you're a bigot. It's kind of a lose-lose.

And to those who're going to tell me that the old testament doesn't matter for christians:

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When I was a boy I spoke as a boy, I understood as a boy, and I thought as a boy; when I became a man I took that boy outside and shot him.

Why do many (but not all) hardened atheists so often feel the need to openly mock the intelligence of those who believe in God? It's such an odd dichotomy. One one hand let loose with bitter rage and disgust towards the very idea anyone could believe in God, while simultaneously expressing outward hostility at the religious for being too judgmental.

A truly fascinating study in human behavior.

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Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way. I can't wait to look in the mirror, 'cause I get better looking each day. To know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man. Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, but I'm doin' the best that I can.

You need to be less generalized in your statements, ETC. Not every atheist goes on the warpath *ahem*

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mechaphil

I said "many" not "all", Phil! I know you better than that.

EDIT: I meant "many" and not "all", but reviewing my comment I see it was less clear. I'll change that.

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Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way. I can't wait to look in the mirror, 'cause I get better looking each day. To know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man. Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, but I'm doin' the best that I can.

You did not say many *harrumph*

Also, in addition to those I Leave Peaceprints placards that I hate so much, I hate the leaflets left under windshield wipers. Especially when it's raining.

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mechaphil

Pants, religion and it's various scriptures can be picked apart all day any day, as well as the credibility of it's popes, priests, ministers, etc...

The many contradictions shouldn't be the focal point of whether someone believes in a god or not though. Religion is, beyond debate, a man made invention...but the existence of a higher power is another issue. There could be a higher power (not according to me) regardless of how disfunctional the various man made religions are. People shouldn't allow the imperfections of religious writings to answer that question for them. It should simply come down to whether there is any possible evidence for a higher power, or if there is any logical reasoning for it with what we know today through science and nature.

Dismantling religious dogma is easy. Religious tenets fail miserably in the face of logic, but that's beside the point. No matter how perfect a higher power there may be in the universe, man made writings to explain it will fall short. Either way, the decision is an easy one for me.

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re⋅li⋅gious -
1. of, pertaining to, or concerned with religion: a religious holiday.
2. imbued with or exhibiting religion; pious; devout; godly: a religious man.
3. scrupulously faithful; conscientious: religious care.
4. pertaining to or connected with a monastic or religious order.
5. appropriate to religion or to sacred rites or observances.


spir⋅it⋅u⋅al 
1. of, pertaining to, or consisting of spirit; incorporeal.
2. of or pertaining to the spirit or soul, as distinguished from the physical nature: a spiritual approach to life.
3. closely akin in interests, attitude, outlook, etc.: the professor's spiritual heir in linguistics.
4. of or pertaining to spirits or to spiritualists; supernatural or spiritualistic.
5. characterized by or suggesting predominance of the spirit; ethereal or delicately refined: She is more of a spiritual type than her rowdy brother.
6. of or pertaining to the spirit as the seat of the moral or religious nature.
7. of or pertaining to sacred things or matters; religious; devotional; sacred.
8. of or belonging to the church; ecclesiastical: lords spiritual and temporal.
9. of or relating to the mind or intellect.



Per most definitions of either word, two completely different things. It is not impossible to be spiritual and not religious. If you believe in a higher power, but do not have beliefs that conform to any given religion. That was a really arrogant and condescending comment.

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Good one!
Some Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses came to the door one Saturday morning and woke my dad up. He invited them into the living room and had them sit down. Then he went back to bed. Not sure how long they stayed before they finally left.

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It's interesting, isn't it?

Many of those who don't believe in god have god complexes.

They'll go on a tear questioning and blatantly insulting the intelligence of those who believe in a religion, many times due to the hostility religion can create, without even realizing that they're creating hostility themselves.

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PuckSniper, thats only because we have to deal with all of the bullshit religion pushes on us everyday. No, its not like people are forcing us to go to church, but seriously take a look at the video link I put in my posts in this thread and also in the other religion thread. It shows what atheists have to put up with every day. I'm not allowed to hold office in certain states. My child is not allowed to join the boy/girl scouts. It's idiotic.

And religious beliefs are stunting the growth of sciences. Due to religion people still don't believe in the Theory of Evolution, which is as true as the Theory of Gravity.

Next time any Jehovah's witnesses come knocking on my door I'm going to hand them The Origin of Species and tell them to read something thats true for once. I'm sorry, but for me Christianity has the same credibility as Scientology, which has the same credibility as Twilight, World of Warcraft, Ghosts, Witchcraft and Pokemon.
btw I was born and raised a Christian. College education is what changed my beliefs.

Do you not see the irony of your post?

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Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way. I can't wait to look in the mirror, 'cause I get better looking each day. To know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man. Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, but I'm doin' the best that I can.

Sk8 has a bit of a point, but personally, I am as minimally confrontational about my atheism as possible because that is what I ask of religious people - to be minimally confrontational. It's about respecting each other, regardless of agreement.

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Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way. I can't wait to look in the mirror, 'cause I get better looking each day. To know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man. Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, but I'm doin' the best that I can.

I'm sorry I'm talking about my beliefs in a thread where your supposed to talk about your beliefs? I just don't see how people can believe in something science has continually disproved. Education is what got me to this conclusion, and many others. Sorry I am using my education to dictate my beliefs.

And yes, I will rant about it until shit gets done because it is constantly affecting me and fellow atheists every single day.
As soon as an atheist comes and tries to prove you wrong you claim irony and contradiction. I have not gone door to door preaching this. I'm simply stating what this thread entitles me to say. If there had not been a thread I would never have brought it up.

The irony isn't there anyway, considering they come to my home to try to convert me. When they are on my property trying to change my religious beliefs I will do the same to them until they are off my property. Then either they will be like "Oh wait... it kinda sucks having people throw their faith at you" and stop coming to my place, or they will notice that science might be the way to go for them.

Either way they stop fucking with me.

As clearly said in the OP, it is a thread where you talk about your beliefs without baiting or attacking the beliefs of others. You fail. If you can't express your beliefs without attacking those who don't believe as you do than leave the thread.

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Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way. I can't wait to look in the mirror, 'cause I get better looking each day. To know me is to love me, I must be a hell of a man. Oh lord, it's hard to be humble, but I'm doin' the best that I can.

When did I ever attack anyone's beliefs? I was stating reasons why I chose my belief system. The main reason being the lack of credibility of most religions. They are written texts and stories that people believe in. When I was little I believed in Pokemon and ghosts and vampires. When I was little I also believed in God and Santa. I didn't attack anyone whatsoever. I was just stating why I chose my belief system. Sorry you couldn't handle it.

Just so you know, I'm going to be one of those Mormons in about a year.


I'm just going to say this once. I don't understand why people say that Mormon missionaries shove their beliefs down peoples throats because they don't. They go door to door and ask if you are willing to hear a message about Christ, if you say no, they leave. They don't force themselves into your home or in anyway try and force their beliefs on you. The reason that we go door to door is because there are people who are willing to receive the message and people who's lives are changed because of missionaries going door to door. To me, the small inconvenience of a few atheists who have to come to the door for 30 seconds and say no I'm not interested is an easy price to pay to help convert people to the gospel.

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