My ex-wife needed one, or she would have died during her pregnancy with her first, and my second, child. She had extreme subchorionic hematoma, which meant she was hemorrhaging from the placenta.

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Very sorry to hear that.
That's the first I've personally heard of where it was medically necessary (contrasted to dozens I know of that weren't).

/yay for anecdotal evidence!

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Yay for anecdotal evidence, indeed! But in all seriousness, she's fine. I'm fine. We're all fine. Hurrah!

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Well, i'm pro choice, and anti-war. Looks like we all have to fund things we dont approve of.

Just thought of this. Why should abortion be considered "elective" surgery? Surely no one WANTS one?? Hmm

Come grasshopper...let me show you how low we can go...

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Reproducti ... id=8594347

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*poof post gone*

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I'd have to assume(and I hope you will too)that she is the exception, and not the rule.


Is this an appropriate post??

So where do we draw the line with this. Am I supposed to publicly go after this guy or what? I know the answer to that, but I tried to PM him, and he just can't seem to help himself.

No, that's not an appropriate post.

ETC, you need to knock it off. Unacceptable to call someone a 'dumbass' simply because they asked a question you don't seem to like.

daz, to provide a personal perspective about the link that XC posted, I have been good friends with a woman for about 10 years. Since I've known her, she's had 6 abortions. Now, she has some medical issues that make oral contraceptives less effective for her, but she also hasn't demanded that her partners take precautions as well. I love her to death, she's a wonderful woman who also has two beautiful children. She's been responsible enough that she's paid for the abortions that she's had, and not relied on government assistance to subsidize her lack of precautions.

There are those that consider abortions as a form of secondary birth control. Those are the ones I would consider to be elective procedures.

Sure, having 16 abortions is the exception and not the rule...but in my past I have dated at least 3 (that I know of) women that had had at least 2 abortions. It was, as Squanto noted, a second form of birth control.

Maybe they didn't "want" to have abortions, but they certainly weren't shy to get them.
From the way you stated it daz, I'm going to say it's more common than you think.

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Let's go to the definitons...

dumb ass - What you call someone when they have said or did something making THEM look dumb

smart ass - What you call someone when they have said or did something making YOU feel dumb.

I suppose that makes me a certified smartass... I try to be good, but sometimes it's so hard. My apologies.

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Where the hell are you finding so many women that have had multiple abortions?

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Bethany: Then - I don't mean to sound ungrateful - but what are you doing hanging around?
Jay: We're here to pick up chicks.
Bethany: Excuse me?

/I keed
//I guess I just attract them

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This friend of mine, you wouldn't even know. She's such a straight up woman, so very responsible about so many things, you couldn't imagine she's be loose and fast with that sort of thing.

Unfortunately, she also had a stepfather do some... things... to her and her sister when they were young. She's never told me what, but when she started to tell me once, it was the only time I've ever known her to choke up and break down in tears, so you can only imagine. I think that explains some of her issues in that department that lead to these abortions.

The only girl I know that had one is a friend's girlfriend when they were in high school and were banging without any protection.

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OK, see we assume that it's poor judgment. Shouldn't that apply to the cigarette smoker when his lung turns black, the alcoholic when he needs a liver transplant, or even the diabetic, when it's time to snip off their fat toes??

This is actually an intriguing and complex topic.


I can't explain what it is, but some girls just don't use protection. If they are your friend(as in Squanto's case and mine personally too), then it is uber frustrating, but it doesn't change the reality of it. They are gonna need an abortion, just like the drunk driver is going to need a lawyer. Hindsight is...well... you know.

If anyone has ever read the book "freakonomics" theres a particularly interesting chapter on the crime rates in the 1990s suddenly disappearing. The author claims its because abortions were much more prevalent.

http://www.isteve.com/abortion.htm

pretty interesting stuff. I'm not claiming it as my opinion or fact even, just something to consider.

One of my favourite comedians, Doug Stanhope: "next time you get a good parking lot, thank an abortions"

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Stanhope is the man(Carlin Jr.).

Basically all crime stats from the 90's are based on crack.

Smokers pay more for health and life insurance.
Males under 25 pay more for car insurance because they're in a risk group.

I see no reason why there can't or shouldn't be a opt-in clause for women that may want to use abortion services, or even why women in that "risk group" shouldn't pay more.

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We all(posters) pretty much agree this is the right solution, but it's not a lock by any means politically. It seems people(opposition) are trying to call it "elective" to sway opinion, and confuse the facts. I wish they'd just show their true agenda(religion in this case) rather than pander to the ignorant masses to win their way. That REALLLLY frustrates me when that happens politically. Then again, most things political frustrate people, that's what they were invented for.