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Should tax money be used via a public option to fund abortion procedures?
Yes, it's a woman's health issue. 52%  52%  [ 11 ]
No, the religious and moral views of all tax payers must be respected. 48%  48%  [ 10 ]
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YankeeInRaleigh
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Not to take it to such a heartless ecological view...but damn, do we really want these people having all these babies instead of aborting them?
1- we simply have too many people, too much growth, it needs to scale back a bit.
2- are these multi-aborters really the folks we want raising sixteen kids instead? Do they have the skills to raise these kids when they're not responsible enough to use some fucking birth control?


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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Not to take it to such a heartless ecological view...but damn, do we really want these people having all these babies instead of aborting them?
1- we simply have too many people, too much growth, it needs to scale back a bit.
2- are these multi-aborters really the folks we want raising sixteen kids instead? Do they have the skills to raise these kids when they're not responsible enough to use some fucking birth control?

Heh, like I said, it's a good, complex subject.


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I missed the part of my tax return form that said I can pick and choose what government programs my tax dollars will and will not fund.

I am being forced to fund the legalized murder that has been the immoral war in Iraq, yet no "right-to-life" groups are standing up for my right to not pay for that abortion of American foreign policy.

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
I missed the part of my tax return form that said I can pick and choose what government programs my tax dollars will and will not fund.

I am being forced to fund the legalized murder that has been the immoral war in Iraq, yet no "right-to-life" groups are standing up for my right to not pay for that abortion of American foreign policy.


In all fairness, this isn't a law yet, and should be open for discussion by all taxpayers whether they WOULD want to fund it or not(your opinion for repeal should also be heard). I think you lost on this one.

On the other hand, the Iraq war WAS voted for and funded by your representatives. Sounds like you were misrepresented.

Wild card: Some people have been forced into combat, against their religious beliefs(drafted), and subsequently die. Where are their supporters???


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daz28 wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Not to take it to such a heartless ecological view...but damn, do we really want these people having all these babies instead of aborting them?
1- we simply have too many people, too much growth, it needs to scale back a bit.
2- are these multi-aborters really the folks we want raising sixteen kids instead? Do they have the skills to raise these kids when they're not responsible enough to use some fucking birth control?

Heh, like I said, it's a good, complex subject.


So complex that other options were forgotten in that short little list... :P

(Random comment from me, but I had to make it. :lol: )

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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Not to take it to such a heartless ecological view...but damn, do we really want these people having all these babies instead of aborting them?
1- we simply have too many people, too much growth, it needs to scale back a bit.
2- are these multi-aborters really the folks we want raising sixteen kids instead? Do they have the skills to raise these kids when they're not responsible enough to use some fucking birth control?

See, I don't want these people having all these kids. But to me, them having an abortion is no different than them slicing up their two-year old and putting the parts out with the trash. You don't want them to have all these kids they are uncapable of raising and supporting, but that's still no argument for murder (murder being my opinion of abortion).

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
I missed the part of my tax return form that said I can pick and choose what government programs my tax dollars will and will not fund.

I am being forced to fund the legalized murder that has been the immoral war in Iraq, yet no "right-to-life" groups are standing up for my right to not pay for that abortion of American foreign policy.


You opt out, I'll pay a double bullet and bomb tax :)

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I don't like this poll in general

It's not the governments responsibility to legislate morality to begin with, it should be to protect its citizens. The argument should be over whether or not Abortion = Murder.

Is plan B murder too? Is a condom? Because of what something could be

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I think it's a matter of elective surgery vs required surgery, not morality. Are botox injections and boob jobs to be paid for because the aging model wants to look younger? Is it our obligation to provide free lasik surgery to all near sighted Americans? Do we need to offer free lyposuction or gastro-bypass surgery to all obese Americans? Should we provide free hair transplants to all folically challenged men? Where does it end?

Anything that is a personal choice, and not a medical necessity, should require personal payment as far as I'm concerned. You choose to get pregnant, you choose to have it aborted, you pay for it.

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I think it's a matter of elective surgery vs required surgery, not morality. Are botox injections and boob jobs to be paid for because the aging model wants to look younger?

FWIW, I'm ok with publicly funding boob jobs.

It's patriotic. If a woman can't have surgically enhanced ta-ta's the terrorists have won.

/or something like that.

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Crosscheck wrote:
End The Curse wrote:
I think it's a matter of elective surgery vs required surgery, not morality. Are botox injections and boob jobs to be paid for because the aging model wants to look younger?

FWIW, I'm ok with publicly funding boob jobs.

It's patriotic. If a woman can't have surgically enhanced ta-ta's the terrorists have won.

/or something like that.

FTW!

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im very prolife, just to establish that
murder is murder is murder

but

the women are choosing to murder their unborn children, and i should not have to pay for that, or any other elective medical procedure

if i want to have LASIK, then i fully expect to have to pay for it 100%

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The health insurance plan offered to employees of the Republican National Committee included coverage for elective abortions since 1991. The GOP dropped the provision this month only after it was pointed out during the recent flap over abortion coverage and the health care debate.

Do as I say, not as I do, eh?

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I think only republican tax money should fund abortions and only democratic tax money should fund executions. And green party members should not be taxed for not being part of what's wrong with America.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
I think only republican tax money should fund abortions and only democratic tax money should fund executions. And green party members should not be taxed for not being part of what's wrong with America.

Green party voters have taxable income?
:lol:

Has anyone seen the language that was required to get Bill Nelson's vote?
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Under the new provisions, states can opt out of allowing plans to cover abortion in the new insurance exchanges the bill would set up to serve individuals who lack coverage through their jobs. Plus, enrollees in plans that accept federal subsidies and cover abortion procedures would pay for the coverage with separate checks — one for abortion, one for the rest of any health care services.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20091220/NEWS01/712209910

So be sure not to forget to write those abortion checks ladies! Wow.

It should also be noted that Harry Reid had to strip the bill of language that would have removed anti-trust exemption from insurance companies....that's something almost all Democrats wanted.

If I were a liberal, I'd agree with Howard Dean...this thing is so stripped and watered down at this point (all because of compromises demanded by Democrats, not Republicans) it's not worth it. Start over.

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There is no starting over. The Republicans have seen to that. Their philosophy is, if we can't be in charge then we will slash and burn ANYTHING the other folks want, even if it represents the will of the majority of Americans.

I have come to the conclusion that the Republican Party does not believe in small "r" republican government. They are much more comfortable with a one-party system.

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oh please....this has nothing to do with Republicans.
Democrats passed it by themselves in the house...Democrats will pass it themselves in the Senate...both bills were written 100% by Democrats yet you still whine about Republicans when your guys wrote a piece of crap??

Own it.

EDIT: also...you keep repeating Americans overwhelmingly support this thing...you're wrong. Hell, only 37% of Democrats support it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/1 ... 96990.html

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Montalo wrote:
im very prolife, just to establish that
murder is murder is murder

but

the women are choosing to murder their unborn children, and i should not have to pay for that, or any other elective medical procedure

if i want to have LASIK, then i fully expect to have to pay for it 100%


Not everyone thinks its 'murder'. Knowing you, condoms are murder too aren't they?

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oh please....this has nothing to do with Republicans.
Democrats passed it by themselves in the house...Democrats will pass it themselves in the Senate...both bills were written 100% by Democrats yet you still whine about Republicans when your guys wrote a piece of crap??

Own it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/1 ... 96990.html

So, the party out of power gets to just sit on the sidelines, throwing verbal bombs? The only reason the Democrats have had to cobble together this disappointing bill is because the GOP has hung together like a bunch of mindless sheep threatening to filibuster ANY, I repeat ANY, healthcare bill in order to score political points for the 2010 election. That meant everyone of the 60 Democratic Senators had veto power over the final bill.

Are you telling me there isn't a Republican in the Senate who believes we need some kind of reform of a medical system that is the most expensive in the industrialized world, but ranks consistently near the middle or bottom in comparison?

This is a Democratic bill. You are right there. But only because the GOP has abdicated its responsibility to participate in the government.

By the way, the majority of Americans do support a government option, which got killed because the GOP refused to participate, giving people like Joe Lieberman the ability to kill it.

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
Are you telling me there isn't a Republican in the Senate who believes we need some kind of reform of a medical system that is the most expensive in the industrialized world, but ranks consistently near the middle or bottom in comparison?

Republicans put forth their own bills which were completely ignored...so no, I wouldn't say that at all.

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By the way, the majority of Americans do support a government option, which got killed because the GOP refused to participate, giving people like Joe Lieberman the ability to kill it.

Right, so the Democrats give us mandates and no public option...Brilliant!
Again, I think your anger is misplaced. If the tables were turned, you know Republicans would get the job done opposition be damned. Getting Democrats to agree is like herding cats.

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