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Rutledge222
 Post subject: Re: Dear Sabres Top 6,
PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:15 pm 
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Agreed

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GoSabres29
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:49 pm 
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what about food poisoning?

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yea, what's this food poisoning story?

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GoSabres29
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It probally just happens to be our top 6, and Hecht.

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They all had dinner at Myers place... :D :lol:

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Well, they certainly played like they were either asleep, didn't give two shits, or were ill and in need of IVs. I'm not about to make excuses, because that was one of the most listless efforts I've seen since 07-08, but the food poisoning would make sense in retrospect.

Losing to the Senators 2-0 while they were missing oh, uh...EVERYBODY while managing maybe five good scoring chances all night is pretty damn pathetic.

Pretty damn pathetic...


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Howie Hodge
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So we have food poisoning, eh? Must eat the same pre game meal every time we play Ottawa........ :? :doh:

Bullshit.

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I'm not completely discounting the whole food poisoning thing. Lindy has called out the team before, and has been doing so pretty regularly after crappy showings so far this season... and it seems to have worked for a little while in getting some fire under their asses. I don't know why he'd just settle with making up stuff now unless too many public tongue lashings lowers team morale or something.

Not to mention, it's Ottawa. It doesn't matter who's on their team, did you really expect us to win?

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Good god. Even Miller called bullshit on the food poisoning bullshit.


That's because he didn't have it.

Easy for him to say. :lol:

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These were the players affected by food-poisoning: Nathan Paetsch (would have been a healthy scratch anyway,) Patrick Lalime (bench,) Toni Lydman, Adam Mair, Mike Grier, Craig Rivet, Drew Stafford, Steve Montador & Pat Kaleta (2nd period injury.)

Not to insult these players, nor their nightly effort - But, these aren't exactly Hossa and Gaborik and Ovechkin and Nash and Lacavalier we're talking about...

...and the others? What about them? Did they get "sympathy pains", or something?

Sekera? Roy? Connolly? Pommers? Vanek? Hecht?


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PuckSniperPensel
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These were the players affected by food-poisoning: Nathan Paetsch (would have been a healthy scratch anyway,) Patrick Lalime (bench,) Toni Lydman, Adam Mair, Mike Grier, Craig Rivet, Drew Stafford, Steve Montador & Pat Kaleta (2nd period injury.)

Not to insult these players, nor their nightly effort - But, these aren't exactly Hossa and Gaborik and Ovechkin and Nash and Lacavalier we're talking about...

...and the others? What about them? Did they get "sympathy pains", or something?

Sekera? Roy? Connolly? Pommers? Vanek? Hecht?


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Food poisoning eh? Let's examine the symptoms:

-- Shitting the bed? Check.
-- Vomit inducing Royminvanek uninspired, lazy plays? Check.
-- Nausea-inducing power play? Check.

Unlike food poisoning, the Sabres symptoms were infectious and spread throughout the entire team, aside from Miller.


It was pretty obvious that it was just a few guys who weren't moving their feet, not the whole team.

The problem is, the system doesn't work unless everyone gets to where they're supposed to be.

When 1 man fails his assignment, it throws off everything that everybody else is supposed to be doing on the ice.

That leads to surrendering odd man rushes and poor break outs.

Lets not get our panties in a bunch because of one loss where half the guys on the team were sick.

Even if they WEREN'T sick, this game wouldn't bother me. It seems to me that some people fail to grasp the fact that their team is going to lose once in a while.

Get over it, and win on Friday.

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People are just in super-anger mode because not only was it crappy play (whatever the reason for it), but it was another game handed over, free-of-charge, to the Senators. A injury ravaged Senator team at that.

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rbochan wrote:
icehound wrote:
These were the players affected by food-poisoning: Nathan Paetsch (would have been a healthy scratch anyway,) Patrick Lalime (bench,) Toni Lydman, Adam Mair, Mike Grier, Craig Rivet, Drew Stafford, Steve Montador & Pat Kaleta (2nd period injury.)

Not to insult these players, nor their nightly effort - But, these aren't exactly Hossa and Gaborik and Ovechkin and Nash and Lacavalier we're talking about...

...and the others? What about them? Did they get "sympathy pains", or something?

Sekera? Roy? Connolly? Pommers? Vanek? Hecht?

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Roy-21:28
Pominville-20:24
Vanek 20:20
Connolly 19:41

The score should have been 18-2 Sabres.

It's game 32 and they just got shut out by a division rival with 6 starters on their injury list. In a game where Ryan Miller still managed to keep them in the game for 58 minutes. The top 6 couldn't even muster one single goal to make a game of it?

The Sabres top 6 is the reason tey lose games. Not the defense, not the goaltending, and certainly not the bottom 6.

I shall from hereon in refer to the "top 6" as Royminvanolly. The brat pack.



The top 6 weren't signed by Buffalo to outscore Gaborik, nor were they signed to rack up the same amount of assists as Joe Thornton.

They were signed to win.

So far, all season long, that's what they've done. But for some reason, some of you are so stat crazy, that you fail to recognize the job they've done and insist that every single loss of the season is their fault due to a lack of offensive production.

Well to me, the measure of a good hockey player is the amount of goals they create for their team versus the amount that they surrender. And that STARTS with being able to play defensively.

The Buffalo Sabres are one of the best defensive clubs in the NHL, sure partially due to Ryan Miller. He's been fantastic.

But I've also watched Derek Roy make sprawling poke checks on the back check to prevent goals from being scored.

I've seen Jason Pominville rush the puck carrier and force him to dump it resulting in a change of possession.

I've seen Thomas Vanek out skate Alexander Ovechkin and strip him of the puck.

I've seen Tim Connolly break up passes that would result in one time shots and possible goals.

I've seen our top 6 shut down every other clubs' top 6 and chip in goals as well.

Point is, anyone who thought we'd be getting some kind of insane scoring from this group of forwards thought wrong, and can't realistically expect that.

What you CAN expect out of this group, is an impressive effort on most nights, which is all you could ever expect out of any hockey club.

My question is, how many games in a row does this team need to win before they lose one to prevent you all from going ballistic on players about the loss? 10? 20?

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PSP, if it's SO important to the rest of the team and the gameplan in general if only a few guys are off their game, how do you explain the Sens playing a masterful team performance while missing Spezza, Foligno, Donovan, and two others?

At best it was an even match-up that either team had a chance to win, at worst the Sabres got owned again by a team missing their best players, not to mention Heatley being gone. Don't get me wrong, I can get over losing a game, even to Ottawa again. That effort was absolute crap though. There is no amount of sugar coating that can change it.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
PSP, if it's SO important to the rest of the team and the gameplan in general if only a few guys are off their game, how do you explain the Sens playing a masterful team performance while missing Spezza, Foligno, Donovan, and two others?

At best it was an even match-up that either team had a chance to win, at worst the Sabres got owned again by a team missing their best players, not to mention Heatley being gone. Don't get me wrong, I can get over losing a game, even to Ottawa again. That effort was absolute crap though. There is no amount of sugar coating that can change it.


That's pretty easy to explain actually. It's because the replacements for Ottawa were moving their feet.

The Sabres weren't. You heard it yourself from Lindy. The defensemen weren't jumping up in the play to assist in the rushes, there were less pinches at the point, the forecheck fell apart because the defense was hanging back too far, and that's all due to the fact that they just didn't have the legs.

It's not about who's in the lineup playing the system. It's about whichever team can play the system hard without missing a beat.

You could tell Ottawa had guys out of the lineup. They didn't play a perfect game. They had plenty of giveaways as well.

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Nah, you're giving the team WAY too much leeway here. Two of the seven sick players didn't even dress. Five sick guys don't (shouldn't) cause the entire team to play so poorly.


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Nah, you're giving the team WAY too much leeway here. Two of the seven sick players didn't even dress. Five sick guys don't (shouldn't) cause the entire team to play so poorly.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
Nah, you're giving the team WAY too much leeway here. Two of the seven sick players didn't even dress. Five sick guys don't (shouldn't) cause the entire team to play so poorly.


Exactly


I combined that with Kaleta getting knocked out of the game, plus coming off a very rough game played in Montreal, against a team that we have ALWAYS struggled to beat, and the fact that every team in this league is going to have their nights.

As long as they rebound the next game, I'm happy.

What happened tonight?

This is a good team. And the top six have been impressive in many, many other facets of this game. And if that's what they have to do to keep this team winning, if that's how they play, then I'm all for it.

I'm not saying their choices on offense can't be improved, but I won't rag on this team for a lack of effort this season, because they're putting it in 90% of the time.

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They're putting the effort in 90% of the time all of the time.

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