The house just passed a bill to spend another $155 Billion with a B (of more money we don't fucking have)....on...wait for it.....those same "shovel ready jobs" that didn't get created in the first damn place.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1612851020091217

If you work for the government in some capacity bully for you. If you work in the private sector and pay your taxes Nancy Pelosi would like to kick you in the balls (I can only assume).

In related news the US is officially over our debt limit:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/12/16 ... 7341.shtml

You read that right. Democrats have now spent more money than they're allowed to spend. They don't care if we have to borrow it and they don't care about limits.

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this economic crisis would have been avoided had we all just voted mccain and hookerboots

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From what I've seen it's a wash at this point....and I hate McCain.

...oh and...economic crisis != spend your country into oblivion.

at least the last time I checked.
If you disagree, please explain why.


/b-b-b-b-Bush

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Oh, and it's not just the Federal government. New York is basically bankrupt.

Ham

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I'm not happy about this either, however I think this illustrates why I tend to consider Bush to be the larger problem.

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what we need is another hoover dam project!

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Look, I have a pretty nasty looking pictures too.
Unfunded Liabilities
Federal Budget Deficit as a Percentage of GDP

Source: White House Office of Management and Budget; Congressional Budget Office.


but please...let's focus on the past 8 years and not the next 50...



Pray tell, what does this latest spending bill from the house have to do with either:
1. The President
2. Creating jobs

Thanks.

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Irony, you are far more correct then you think.

Estimated cost to construct a dual magnetic levatation rail system 12.6 trillion U.S. dollars.
Estimated construction time is 22.1 yrs to complete.
Estimated P&L 20 year operation mark 17.8 trillion U.S. dollars.
Estimated additional revenues (tarrifs 10%, .2% ladder annual use price index) 21 billion U.S. dollars anually.

These are merely the numbers on the passenger and cargo rail buildout. An additional 540 billion dollars to build out energy sources to power the system. This electrical generating system can levy its excess production to population centers and rural areas. Revenue's on this are very difficult to even generalize due to the lack of data on exactly how a rail system of this size would be utilized, but some engineering firms have put out numbers at or around an additional 123 billion U.S. dollars in electricity revenue.

Once again, these numbers are based on 4 east/west high speed rail, 1 track passenger, 1 track cargo (cargo track is larger due to the size of magnets needed to push the weight of the cargo).
San Diego to Jacksonville.
Los Angelos to Charlotte.
San Fransisco to Washington D.C.
Seattle to Boston.

6 runs south to north. No need to specify these. All 10 of these runs will be high speed rail between population centers. Locally, at the county/region level, a smaller mag lev system can and should be built for local transportation needs. These systems construction costs will vary accoring to the size of the system, like wise, the return on investment timeline will vary according to the usage of these local systems.
You wanted a hoover dam type project, here ya go. All can be done in 50 years with full employment and a return on investment with a surplus in a decent time frame.

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Mr. Pegula, your destiny awaits you sir.

Too bad it would take 15 years of environmental impact reports and eminent domain lawsuits before all those ideas got rejected.

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You do realize that the Republicans in neither the House nor the Senate have the votes to stop anything. The Lord knows I've been so disgustingly disappointed in the Republicans in most of what they do. Doing whatever they can to stop some of the current legislation is one of the few things I'll applaud them for.

Ham

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When Democrats try to block legislation they don't agree with, they're obstructionist and anti-American.

When Republicans do it, they're applauded.

I'll never understand why that is.

As Ham said, Republicans don't have the votes in the house or Senate to block anything...At this juncture, if legislation stalls it's because Democrats are blocking themselves.

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I disagree.

http://www.buffalonews.com/180/story/896944.html



I won't disagree that the Dems are shooting themselves in the foot with a lot of what's gone on with the bills. However, you can't deny that the Repubs are using as many stall and delay tactics as they can, and that bugs me the most.

When the Dems tried this, they were reviled as 'obstructionists', as preventing Congress from doing 'the people's work'. However, when the Repubs do the exact same thing, the same criticisms aren't levied their way.

To be clear, I don't like it when either side does stuff like this. I just wish politicians would do what they were elected to do, not what their campaign donors or party leaders WANT them to do. Pipe dream, I know.

Oh, I don't deny the Rep's are using stalling tactics at all. But that's what parliamentary procedures in the Senate are set up to do. Onthe flip side of the coin, why the huge rush to slam this legislation through Congress. You realize there isn't actually a Senate health bill written yet? God forbid, they actually read the legislation they're going to vote on. I didn't call the Dems obstructionist when filibustering legislation. That's part of the Senate. When they started filibustering judicial nominees (which had never been done), that's when I would have called them obstructionist.

As to them reading the amendment. You realize that once they began reading it, Senate procedure requires a unanimous vote to halt that. The Democratic leadership in the Senate bypassed that rule to halt the reading of the amendment. The GOP are stalling by the book, and the Democrats are ignoring parliamentary rules to ram the bill through. You have to wonder what the big hurry is. Perhaps because the longer this bill lingers in Congress, the more the American people are turning against it.

Ham

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I like Ron Paul. He should have won.

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I am not in favor of jamming the bill through. I'd like them to take their time and to it right, however that's just not possible. The Dems are getting loosy with some of the fiscal projections, and the Repubs are just flat out saying 'no' to any and every option being put forth.

It's in the Repubs best political interests to stall. By dragging this out, they give the astroturfed 'grassroots' opposition financed by the insurance lobby more time to swing public opinion against it. The more opposition, the more they can rail against Obama, saying how he's failing on a major campaign promise. It sets them up with a platform for the midterms in 2010, while keeping those insurance company donations flowing.

I truly feel that (in Congress) the Democrats are actually interested in health care reform, while Republicans are interested in nothing of the sort. That's what frustrates me most.

damn right! i like this idea!

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You can call it an astroturfed opposition, but it's the independents and moderates who are bailing on their support of this bill (and Obama). I hardly feel like the opposition just wants Obama to have some kind of failure. I think, rather, that they're opposed to more government control of private industry. Not to mention that forking out the money for this during a horrid recession is just plain irresponsible.

And, of course the insurance companies will oppose any legislation that could lead to a government option. The government will simply strong-arm them out of business. God forbid a private industry lobby against their own destruction.

Ham

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