Have you noticed how everything that has a start or end date in this legislation, the war in Afghanistan etc. all happen in 2012?
Interesting that we wouldn't see the pain and true cost of this health care plan until after the next presidential election.
Which brings up another obvious question no one is asking....why have Democrats been setting vote deadlines for this massive bill? First it was august, then thanksgiving, now it's Christmas....the damn thing doesn't start until 2014 but we need to pass it tomorrow.
Doesn't pass the sniff test.

Again....if Democrats had their collective act together, Republicans aren't even in this equation.
Don't blame the opposition for opposing. Republicans have put forth several alternate bills that were never allowed to leave the authors desk.

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Democrats generally try to incorporate some of the ideas of the opposition party, and that becomes their downfall because they either take too long, don't get anything done, or pass something watered down to try and please everyone.

Republicans will stand united on an issue and jam it through, even when they're totally wrong in what they are doing. Sometimes admirable, sometimes not.

I tend to side with the Democrats because I think that they're more often than not trying to do the right thing, even when they fuck it up, and because I don't like the way most Republicans play politics.

At the end of the day it matters not. None of these elected officials do what's in the best interests of their constituents or the nation. They all do what's needed to re-elect themselves, or keep those donations rolling.

I've seen very little evidence of that lately.

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Tax cuts (the Repub answer for seemingly everything) that the Dems didn't want were put into the economic stimulus bill.

That was for blue dogs (once again, having to compromise to get their own party on board)...not Republicans.

How's that stimulus working out BTW? Personally I'm glad national unemployment didn't go over 8%.

The President and Congress talked to the experts and really nailed that one.

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Actually xcheck, all of the studies are already complete. Samuel Engineering out of Colorado did a good portion of them back around the turn of the century. Warren Buffet wasn't dumb, knowing this project is seriously being considered he went and bought Burlington Railroad, who happens to own 72% of the existing railroad tracks and runs west of Chicago.

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Well, I'll believe it when I see it I guess....call me a pessimist
People have wanted high speed rail all over California and Nevada for decades and nothing has actually been done.
There's even bond money waiting to build it here in California.

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Yes! Green Party, not part of the problem!

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I don't know Criminal, this project is high on the list with Obama, but, xcheck is right in a way, and I think he knows how.
There isn't enough private investment money to tally up to 20+ trillion, this is bad, just plain bad. If it goes on government funding it would be no different than Amtrak. I wouldn't mind seeing it get done, but I would prefer private enterprise over public control. Just my thoughts though, I actually have no idea how they plan to implement this, it could be 1 run at a time, taking forever to build out.

The reason I even mentioned it was because Irony had a great thought on how to bring the nation out of recession through employment and he is correct, we do need a major infrastructure overhaul.

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