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Which would you rather have?
A top 5 Penalty Kill 54%  54%  [ 20 ]
A top 5 Power Play 46%  46%  [ 17 ]
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Who's your best penalty killer? It's your goalie. If you're in the top 5 PK, chances are you've got a good goalie, and there's no better way to build a solid team than from the net out.

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I voted pp....b/c pp goals in the post season is huge....even if you have an avg pk, but a top 5 pp you should have the advantage

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PK without a doubt.

With lockdown penalty killing, you can commit grievous hockey crimes with impunity.

Example: Oops, I slashed Ovechkin's knees and got caught, my bad. Good thing we have a great PK!


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It all depends on the team, doesn't it?

Look at Montreal, one of the most penalized teams in the NHL. They obviously need a pk as long as they keep taking stupid penalties (a big reason we beat them in our last tilt). The Sabres need scoring. We had every opportunity to beat the Pens last night, both at the end of the 3rd and during the OT, but our pp was impotent.

This team needs to find ways to score. I love the defense, but I am afraid that we are too much of a one-man team. Ryan Miller gets hurt and we don't make the playoffs.

That is not a recipe for winning the Stanley Cup. We tried it in '99 and came up short.

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A PK is more important, because it's more reliable no matter who the opponent is or whether it's regular or post season. A good PP can be shut down by a good PK and in the playoffs, with more urgency from the PK, PP goals are harder to come by.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
A PK is more important, because it's more reliable no matter who the opponent is or whether it's regular or post season. A good PP can be shut down by a good PK and in the playoffs, with more urgency from the PK, PP goals are harder to come by.

I disagree. You can control how many penalties your team takes, especially the stupid ones. Take fewer penalties and you don't need to worry about penaty killing. Not taking advantage of a man advantage, though, is disheartening.

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If only teams could stop taking penalties...I've yet to see it though.


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Godzilla1960
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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
If only teams could stop taking penalties...I've yet to see it though.

Detroit, New Jersey, and Nashville are all averaging under 10 minutes a game in penalties.

The Sabres are pretty good about not taking stupid penalties, but while we are 5th in penalty kills, our power play is ranked #27 (we are dead last on the road), even though we are #2 in powerplay opportunities. That is a lot of missed chances.

Right now the pp is in more need of help than our pk.

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slesh
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Godzilla1960 wrote:
It all depends on the team, doesn't it?

Look at Montreal, one of the most penalized teams in the NHL. They obviously need a pk as long as they keep taking stupid penalties (a big reason we beat them in our last tilt). The Sabres need scoring. We had every opportunity to beat the Pens last night, both at the end of the 3rd and during the OT, but our pp was impotent.

This team needs to find ways to score. I love the defense, but I am afraid that we are too much of a one-man team. Ryan Miller gets hurt and we don't make the playoffs.

That is not a recipe for winning the Stanley Cup. We tried it in '99 and came up short.

This response is everything wrong this team is doing in a nutshell. My hats off to you Godzilla for seeing this. You are correct, we tried this before, it did not work. I agree, we need scoring, whether it be from existing roster members or those that must be brought in. This team is close to the half way mark in the season and alot of people are being lulled into the false security due to the teams record. This won't last, whether it be in the regular season or the playoffs, its a recipe for failure. The goal is to win a Stanley Cup, not just make the playoffs.

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No, that recipe didn't fail in the past. It remains an unfinished series. They still must complete overtime of Game 6. And if Buffalo wins that game behind the stellar goaltending of Hasek, it goes to Game 7.

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Hammygoodness wrote:
No, that recipe didn't fail in the past. It remains an unfinished series. They still must complete overtime of Game 6. And if Buffalo wins that game behind the stellar goaltending of Hasek, it goes to Game 7.

Ham

I won't re-hash the famous no goal incident Ham. I think the point to make is Miller is not Hasek and although he is having a career year he hasn't been that game changing factor in the past to the extent Hasek was. Whether or not he can be remains to be seen, to me anyways its an untested theory until we can get into the playoffs and give it a go, but to date we have no data to go off of on Miller with a defensively minded team. He certainly blossomed a little later than Hasek did, not by to much, but enough as far as age goes.

With that in mind, I really don't see it as a winning system, not with the arrayed talents on other teams on the offensive side. 1 game against Pit isn't enough for a real analysis as of yet, and playoff hockey brings a new atmosphere as well. With some of these teams having experience on the successful side of the battles it is a stretch to say Buffalo will fair well, not without some additional fire power.

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Hammygoodness wrote:
No, that recipe didn't fail in the past. It remains an unfinished series. They still must complete overtime of Game 6. And if Buffalo wins that game behind the stellar goaltending of Hasek, it goes to Game 7.


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Hammygoodness
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No, I realize Buffalo's biggest weakness at this point is scoring. They've got the defense, and they've got the scoring. I don't know if the current team can really kick it into another gear offensively. Curing the PP ails would do wonders, methinks. But I think this current edition of the Sabres is more geared towards playoff hockey. The question remains, will the gritty, no-nonsense Sabres show up in the post-season, or will they try to win with flash and dazzle. They've shown they can do the former and do it well. They've also shown they will revert to the latter, and that leads to the scoring droughts.

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