I'll say it again...Republicans in the house and Senate both produced their own health care reform bills which were ignored by Democrats.
No Republican ideas...even token ones were included in the Democratic bills.
Where's that compromise again?
Saying Republicans don't want to do anything at all is a lie.

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This is how badly the Democrats have screw up health care reform


http://www.gallup.com/poll/121664/major ... -year.aspx

Awesome...most Americans want health care reform


http://www.pollster.com/blogs/us_congre ... cnn_12.php

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How different this process could have been if the GOP had not decided from the beginning to oppose Obama at all costs in order to play politics and had instead offered to become a real partner (exactly who should be courting whom in this relationship?). The weak-ass proposals the GOP offered were only a half-hearted response to try and cover up that they opposed anything the president and the Demcorats will do on healthcare. After all, the GOP has had many opportunities to bring health care costs in line, when they controlled the House, Senate, and Oval Office.

They did nothing. They continue to do nothing. They are the party of tax breaks for the wealthy and deregulation of Wall Street and not much else. Oh, yeh, they also say the oppose abortion.

Did The Republicans Blunder On Health Care?
http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/1 ... alth-care/

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Health care was never a darling issue of the Republican platform...I don't see how this will hurt them at all.

Do you like this health care bill Zilla? The Senate bill.
Do you support just passing something at any cost with the hope of possibly making it better in the future?
Do you support personal mandates with no public option?

Let's be honest why this monstrosity is so unpopular.

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Maybe they should have put that in the bill.....

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When one of the things people hear and read about a bill is the 'death panel' bullshit, it tends to engender negative opinions.

For those of us that read the bills and can see through that crap, it's not a big deal. However, there are those that consider Sarah Palin's Facebook page and anything Betsy McCaughey says to be facts, and actually believe it.

I'm not saying that disinformation and spin doesn't happen both ways. I just tend not to take stock in a great number of polls that are out there on this topic because of the disinformation and spin.

I don't think that's it...a majority of Democrats don't like this bill either.
Removing the public option was a game changer for a lot of people and I agree.

Really, none of these mandates make sense without a public option.
I don't want a public option, but what's being attempted won't work without one.

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I don't recall ever creating or helping pass any legislature, so I wasn't offended.

That's the key to participating in the political threads. Read carefully, or you may make a fool of yourself(but I do that reading carefully sometimes too).

Counterpoint
The Health Care Bill Is Political Suicide.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... 99590.html

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So whats up with all you guys rockin trophy avatars?

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I agree. Without a public option or price controls of some sort, there is pretty much no way the net effect of this bill will not be higher insurance costs. The bill is horrid.

What really kills the possibility of this particular chance to create public health care is the setup of the Senate itself if you ask me. Like the Electoral College, the Senate's very structure is designed to check popular sovereignty. In essence, red states have power far beyond what their population should dictate. The polls say most Americans want this reform, and I believe it. But I also believe that many people have bought the insurance companies' bullshit propaganda hook, line, and sinker. It's easy to see that if you look around these boards. And I hear it from people in the real world too.

Well, a lot of those clueless sheep who have fallen under the spell of the medical industry live in the middle of America. The equal representation of states regardless of population is what is killing this actual chance at reform, that and the outright idiocy of every single Republican representative who is unwilling to work for any actual change.

Wait, they claim to want change now. That's why they call themselves conservatives, right?? They just claim that the Dems "change" is the "wrong" kind of change now that they realize people are DEMANDING change. Do me a favor then, tell me what kind of change is the "right" kind???? I'm not saying write some obscure bill most people will never know about. Go on the goddamn record for yourself, and state what you want changed and how you intend to do it. Just shooting down someone else's ideas is fukin LAME.

They did. Actually, they've had 3 alternate health care plans "on the goddamned record".
Pay attention.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52896

House alternative
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/17/news/ec ... /index.htm

Senate alternative
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin ... is.txt.pdf

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As I said, not some obscure bill. I meant I want it on their record they are for reform. That way we can ask them questions about their "pro-reform" stance. I don't just want some bill that they said they would have voted yes on.

Sorry if you think "goddamn" is too loud of a tone, but you know these guys stay as vanilla as possible(so they can flip-flop). They're ALWAYS Losman's plays in training camp.

Um...they're the party out of power. It's going to be hard for them to satisfy the daz28 requirement when they have 0 ability to drive any legislation.

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Hmm, I don't remember Ms. Palin even mentioning health care reform in any of her interviews. They mostly talked about geography and pronunciation. The GOP has no interest in overhauling the system. They'll write what they need to until they quell the opposition, then they'll forget all about it.

/We've seen this take place already. Her name was, as Barack says, "Hill-rae".

Uh...as I mentioned earlier, health care reform has never been a darling GOP issue.

It has been 100% owned by Democrats since FDR.

What you're asking to hear would be akin to a Democrat pushing to abolish the Federal Income tax or overturn Roe V. Wade...yet you seem outraged you don't hear it.

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...and this is probably 100% of the reason they won't let it happen.

I could show them a bill that said it eliminated all the national debt, put us at 0 unemployment, and appropriated them more luminol and black lights to study Monica's dress more in depth, and they'd still vote(and go ON the PUBLIC record)against it.

Something you won't hear at the RNC, "Hey guys, wanna make the Dems look like the party that gets all the social issues done?".