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Your 2010 Political Predictions
Democrats increase seats in both House and Senate 23%  23%  [ 3 ]
Democrats increase seats in Senate, but not House, but retain control of both 15%  15%  [ 2 ]
Democrats lose seats in both House and Senate, but keep control of both 31%  31%  [ 4 ]
Republicans gain control of House, but not Senate 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Republicans gain control of Senate, but not House 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
Republicans gain control of both House and Senate 23%  23%  [ 3 ]
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Wait a minute here.....
3 people voted Democrats will increase seats in the house and senate.

I would absolutely love to hear a justification for that opinion.

Come on...fess up.

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Crosscheck wrote:
Wait a minute here.....
3 people voted Democrats will increase seats in the house and senate.

I would absolutely love to hear a justification for that opinion.

Come on...fess up.


I wrote dark magic...

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:

I wrote dark magic...

I'd like to know why we're listening to the customers....
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seems dumb.

:lol:

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Crosscheck wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:

I wrote dark magic...

I'd like to know why we're listening to the customers....
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seems dumb.

:lol:


Actually, that kind of seems to sum up our government.

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Actually, that kind of seems to sum up our government.

...and I get the same helpless, icky feeling when paying the cable company I do when paying taxes....

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Crosscheck wrote:
Wait a minute here.....
3 people voted Democrats will increase seats in the house and senate.

I would absolutely love to hear a justification for that opinion.

Come on...fess up.

I, too, think this is highly unlikely, Cross. However, I'm not completely discounting the Republican Party's "idiot factor."

It might be very possible for the GOP to mistake American anger at high unemployment and bumbling Democratic moves on health care for an actual embrace of Republican far right conservative ideology. If they do that then they will field a team of wacko, wing-nuts, of the Palin-Limbaugh-Hannity-Beck variety, which will scare the hell out of everyone except the late night radio, tinfoil hat crowd.

I am seeing this in Florida, where a moderate sitting governor (Charlie Crist) is being challenged for the GOP nomination for the Senate by a far right radical (Marco Rubio). He is red meat for the primaries, but will give folks in the general election heartburn.

If that is the approach the GOP takes, then they will lose more seats.

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I still think that's highly unlikely...no matter how badly some Republicans may screw up their individual races.

RCP has Republicans leading the generic ballot 43% to 41%.

Here are all the latest polls for the 2010 elections as well
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... /2010.html

Senate races:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... races.html

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If it isn't obvious to you yet political parties are damaging the quality of our politicians in office, just take a look at this discussion.

We're realistically debating which party will win more seats based on strategic campaigns geared towards targeting a candidates party rather than their credentials and ideology.

Pretty pathetic.

This is not meant to be an attack on you Cross or Godzilla. I'm just pointing out the sad truths of the situation our country is in right now.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
If it isn't obvious to you yet political parties are damaging the quality of our politicians in office, just take a look at this discussion.

We're realistically debating which party will win more seats based on strategic campaigns geared towards targeting a candidates party rather than their credentials and ideology.

Pretty pathetic.

This is not meant to be an attack on you Cross or Godzilla. I'm just pointing out the sad truths of the situation our country is in right now.

This is very correct PSP. Look, the moment you inject money into the situation the individual no longer is loyal to ones own ideals or ideology. The very system itself is broken. The taking of money to campaign for office leaves the candidates slaves to those that give the money. There in itself is the core of the issue.

Remove the ability of candidates to accept money, any money, and the pool of individuals running for office gets a whole lot more honest.

As my grandfather used to say to me: "The reason one runs for public office should only be to answer a higher calling within ones self to serve the public, never for financial gain".

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It's been the same way for 200 years...meh.

I vote 3rd party when it makes sense, but politics is inherently a compromise unless you feel like running for public office yourself.

It doesn't really matter that both parties suck and are corrupt...one of them will be in power after each election.

Pick your poison.

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Mike Grier for President.


EDIT: And Ron Paul can be his running mate.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
Mike Grier for President.


EDIT: And Ron Paul can be his running mate.

It's gonna be tough, seeing as Cthulhu will be running against him.

Cthulhu 2012 - Why choose the lesser evil?

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Crosscheck wrote:
It's been the same way for 200 years...meh.

I vote 3rd party when it makes sense, but politics is inherently a compromise unless you feel like running for public office yourself.

It doesn't really matter that both parties suck and are corrupt...one of them will be in power after each election.

Pick your poison.


You should run for office.

This is quite obviously something you're very passionate about, and you know what you're talking about.

Get after it Cross. We have too many intelligent people sitting on the sidelines these days.

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The discussion of political parties reminds me of the observation's of Kurt Vonnegut in Slaughterhouse Five about war. He said being anti-war is like being anti-glaciers; you can be opposed to them, but they are going to still keep coming.

We can all agree that the political process is corrupted by money and influence within the two political parties, but I just don't see any conceivable path toward a democratic society that doesn't have political groupings of people who join together to excert influence over decision makers.

These two parties are not going to vote themselves out of existence and recent history has shown that the American people will put up with just about anything as long as we have cable t.v. and air-conditioning (or heat, depending on your part of the country).

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Remove the ability of candidates to accept money, any money, and the pool of individuals running for office gets a whole lot more honest.

As my grandfather used to say to me: "The reason one runs for public office should only be to answer a higher calling within ones self to serve the public, never for financial gain".

I agree that contributions corrupt and break the political system. However, if you take away campaign donations, who will be left to run for office? The rich and the rich only, in fact, the incredibly rich and the incredibly rich only. The government is already made up of 95% stinking rich folks (at least at the federal level). Can you imagine how much more govrnment policy would be geared towards corporat interest if it became exclusively the domain of the country club crew?
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Remove the ability of candidates to accept money, any money, and the pool of individuals running for office gets a whole lot more honest.

As my grandfather used to say to me: "The reason one runs for public office should only be to answer a higher calling within ones self to serve the public, never for financial gain".

I agree that contributions corrupt and break the political system. However, if you take away campaign donations, who will be left to run for office? The rich and the rich only, in fact, the incredibly rich and the incredibly rich only. The government is already made up of 95% stinking rich folks (at least at the federal level). Can you imagine how much more govrnment policy would be geared towards corporat interest if it became exclusively the domain of the country club crew?

Actually Stuuuuuu, I was refering to using no money to run. Hold public debates, put your stance on issues out to the public by meeting the public or speak with News outlets. The point is, as a politician, without money involved, you run solely on your stance on the issues, not with money.

If no one is allowed to use money, then it levels the playing field and forces candidates to do something this current system does not allow, it forces them to stay true to thier stand on the issues, is they fail, they get voted out the following election.
No Money for anyone = Honesty, Integrity and Honor are increased expotentially in the realm of politics.

This would only work if the citizens pay attention and actually take a pro active view of just how important it is they stay abreast of the issues facing society in their day and time. As you can see from voter turn out nation wide, that isn't happening.

It is every citizens responsibility to take an active role in politics, the very foundation of this great nation is based on the citizens participation. Failure to do so is not only an irresponsible act, it is also the single largest reason we have failure in the system in this day and age. In generations past, citizens would cry out in protest in defense of liberty, now, they just blog about it and continue to take it in the ass.

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Remove the ability of candidates to accept money, any money, and the pool of individuals running for office gets a whole lot more honest.

As my grandfather used to say to me: "The reason one runs for public office should only be to answer a higher calling within ones self to serve the public, never for financial gain".

I agree that contributions corrupt and break the political system. However, if you take away campaign donations, who will be left to run for office? The rich and the rich only, in fact, the incredibly rich and the incredibly rich only. The government is already made up of 95% stinking rich folks (at least at the federal level). Can you imagine how much more govrnment policy would be geared towards corporat interest if it became exclusively the domain of the country club crew?

Actually Stuuuuuu, I was refering to using no money to run. Hold public debates, put your stance on issues out to the public by meeting the public or speak with News outlets. The point is, as a politician, without money involved, you run solely on your stance on the issues, not with money.

Not only is such a solution not in sight, we are actually about to go backwards. The Supreme Court is likely to rule on Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission by allowing corporations to spend virtually unlimited dollars on campaigns.


Supreme Court about to Gut Campaign Finance Laws...and Democracy?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-gree ... 92609.html

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It's been shown over and over again that any campaign finance laws put in place can and are immediately circumvented.
McCain-Fiengold is just the latest example. Now we just have 527 groups for everything.

Who has the bigger pocketbook is already a large part of the equation, removing those laws isn't going to change that.

Now, removing political free speech rights from corporations may help, but I don't think individuals should be restricted an any way...and the 1st amendment agrees with me.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3NeoKto6hM

Basically sums it up


Although given the past 2 years of continued failures of economic stimulus I have a strong feeling the conservatives will retake control.

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I was reading an article that the Senate dinning room is mostly empty these days. It used to be a place where Senators could get together, break bread, and share a meal with each other, without all the machinery of party politics, but just as men and women. Now, individuals in each party are even afraid to be seen with folks from across the isle for fear that their rabid, ideological base will see them as traitors.

Yes, we have always had a partisan system, and yes, there have been times in our history when that partisanship was particularly virulent (mid to late 19th c.), but never have we had such complete wall-to-wall media covereage of every word, every action, of every congress person. There is no longer the ability or incentive to compromise, because the district lines are drawn in such a way that congresspeople no longer have to appeal to the moderate middle.

It is a poisoned system we have, where people are seeing those in the other party, not as well meaning Americans who have a different idea for what is best for the country, but as people who are out to destroy America and undermine the country's core values.

We cannot survive long with a government composed of blood enemies.

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