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BlueandYellow
 Post subject: Re: Paetsch Waived
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:17 pm 
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Paetsch makes $850k which is a little less than $100k more than Mair.


Interesting. So given the amount of time Paetch plays he's a waste of money. I would still rather have him at 850k than mair at 750k-ish.


Yeah, give up the guy who is worth less and works more, battles and wins for the puck, and enforces our guys.

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 Post subject: Re: Paetsch Waived
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BlueandYellow wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
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Paetsch makes $850k which is a little less than $100k more than Mair.


Interesting. So given the amount of time Paetch plays he's a waste of money. I would still rather have him at 850k than mair at 750k-ish.


Yeah, give up the guy who is worth less and works more, battles and wins for the puck, and enforces our guys.


Yes. He's such a locker room leader in the press box. :?

I like Paetsch as much as the next guy, but it's clear that his time would either be better spent on another NHL team, or in Portland, where he will play.

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 Post subject: Re: Paetsch Waived
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:06 pm 
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It's to make room for Biron since the Isles just activated DiPietro to their roster.

Or it could be to make room for Datsyuk because apparently he wants a trade and Buffalo is his #1 choice.

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 Post subject: Re: Paetsch Waived
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To save money(same as Mair). We so often forget this is a business first. BTG hates wasting money as much as the next guy.


Yeah, he's such a cheapskate. That explains the $56M payroll they're carrying.

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 Post subject: Re: Paetsch Waived
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:48 pm 
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daz28 wrote:
To save money(same as Mair). We so often forget this is a business first. BTG hates wasting money as much as the next guy.


Yeah, he's such a cheapskate. That explains the $56M payroll they're carrying.

/sarcasm

I don't question Tommy G's willingness to spend money. He has proven he is willing to loosen the purse strings.
I think its a Mair situation, and why not, Mair and Paetsch both deserve a chance to play elsewhere, they paid their dues here in Buf.

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 Post subject: Re: Paetsch Waived
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:56 pm 
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I think Patches should play somewhere at least.

He deserves it, and he won't get that chance in Buffalo.

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 Post subject: Re: Paetsch Waived
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Patches will never be a starting player. The man is not good. He doesn't make many mistakes, but he doesn't do much any ways. At least Mair wins us battles. And if he gets penalties more than Rivet THEN you guys can complain.

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 Post subject: Re: Paetsch Waived
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:23 pm 
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BlueandYellow wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Jim Bob wrote:
Paetsch makes $850k which is a little less than $100k more than Mair.


Interesting. So given the amount of time Paetch plays he's a waste of money. I would still rather have him at 850k than mair at 750k-ish.


Yeah, give up the guy who is worth less and works more, battles and wins for the puck, and enforces our guys.




Paetsch has 41 points in 156 games. .26 points per game.
Mair has 99 points in 509 games. .19 points per game
advantage: Paetsch

Mair is a career -8 with 3+ years in 10 seasons (not counting this one in which he is even)
Paetsch is a career +16 with 3+ years in the past 4 seasons (not counting this one in which he is a +1)
advantage: Paetsch

Mair has 739 PIM in 509 games, 1.45 PIM per game.
Paetsch has 108 PIM in 156 games, .69 PIM per game
advantage: Paetsch


There are probably only two reasons mair is still here. His tenure as a Sabre (since 02-03), and that he fights. He is basically the new Andrew Peters. Enjoy.

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 Post subject: Re: Paetsch Waived
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:25 pm 
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BlueandYellow wrote:
Patches will never be a starting player. The man is not good. He doesn't make many mistakes, but he doesn't do much any ways. At least Mair wins us battles. And if he gets penalties more than Rivet THEN you guys can complain.


Adam Mair is penalized more per game than Craig Rivet. Anything else you want to be wrong about today?

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BlueandYellow
 Post subject: Re: Paetsch Waived
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:28 pm 
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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
Patches will never be a starting player. The man is not good. He doesn't make many mistakes, but he doesn't do much any ways. At least Mair wins us battles. And if he gets penalties more than Rivet THEN you guys can complain.


Adam Mair is penalized more per game than Craig Rivet. Anything else you want to be RIGHT about today?


He has 28 PIMS, Rivet has 58. Rivet gets more PIMs than Mair.

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 Post subject: Re: Paetsch Waived
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:35 pm 
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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Jim Bob wrote:
Paetsch makes $850k which is a little less than $100k more than Mair.


Interesting. So given the amount of time Paetch plays he's a waste of money. I would still rather have him at 850k than mair at 750k-ish.


Yeah, give up the guy who is worth less and works more, battles and wins for the puck, and enforces our guys.




Paetsch has 41 points in 156 games. .26 points per game.
Mair has 99 points in 509 games. .19 points per game
advantage: Paetsch

Mair is a career -8 with 3+ years in 10 seasons (not counting this one in which he is even)
Paetsch is a career +16 with 3+ years in the past 4 seasons (not counting this one in which he is a +1)
advantage: Paetsch

Mair has 739 PIM in 509 games, 1.45 PIM per game.
Paetsch has 108 PIM in 156 games, .69 PIM per game
advantage: Paetsch


There are probably only two reasons mair is still here. His tenure as a Sabre (since 02-03), and that he fights. He is basically the new Andrew Peters. Enjoy.



And Mair hasn't fought once this season. He drives the net. He wins battles along the boards. What the hell does Paetsch do? Nothing.

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BlueandYellow
 Post subject: Re: Paetsch Waived
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:40 pm 
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OH, and Mair has a better point avg. He has 3 points in 28 games. Paetsch has 1 in 10 games.

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Squanto
 Post subject: Re: Paetsch Waived
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:47 pm 
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BlueandYellow wrote:
OH, and Mair has a better point avg. He has 3 points in 28 games. Paetsch has 1 in 10 games.


Mair : 0.1071428571428571 PPG
Patches : 0.1 PPG

Difference : 0.0071428571428571 PPG

Pretty pointless comparison.


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 Post subject: Re: Paetsch Waived
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:49 pm 
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whats the Standard Deviation? :P

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 Post subject: Re: Paetsch Waived
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jvaccaro6 wrote:
whats the Standard Deviation? :P


0.00505

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BlueandYellow
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Squanto wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
OH, and Mair has a better point avg. He has 3 points in 28 games. Paetsch has 1 in 10 games.


Mair : 0.1071428571428571 PPG
Patches : 0.1 PPG

Difference : 0.0071428571428571 PPG

Pretty pointless comparison.


Eh, still. Mair is more valuable to the team than Patches. That's why they play him more.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
Patches will never be a starting player. The man is not good. He doesn't make many mistakes, but he doesn't do much any ways. At least Mair wins us battles. And if he gets penalties more than Rivet THEN you guys can complain.


Adam Mair is penalized more per game than Craig Rivet. Anything else you want to be RIGHT about today?


He has 28 PIMS, Rivet has 58. Rivet gets more PIMs than Mair.


Career:
Craig Rivet 1,094 PIM in 897 games. 1.22 PIM per game.
Adam Mair 739 PIM in 509 games. 1.45 PIM per game.

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 Post subject: Re: Paetsch Waived
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:59 pm 
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BlueandYellow wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Jim Bob wrote:
Paetsch makes $850k which is a little less than $100k more than Mair.


Interesting. So given the amount of time Paetch plays he's a waste of money. I would still rather have him at 850k than mair at 750k-ish.


Yeah, give up the guy who is worth less and works more, battles and wins for the puck, and enforces our guys.




Paetsch has 41 points in 156 games. .26 points per game.
Mair has 99 points in 509 games. .19 points per game
advantage: Paetsch

Mair is a career -8 with 3+ years in 10 seasons (not counting this one in which he is even)
Paetsch is a career +16 with 3+ years in the past 4 seasons (not counting this one in which he is a +1)
advantage: Paetsch

Mair has 739 PIM in 509 games, 1.45 PIM per game.
Paetsch has 108 PIM in 156 games, .69 PIM per game
advantage: Paetsch


There are probably only two reasons mair is still here. His tenure as a Sabre (since 02-03), and that he fights. He is basically the new Andrew Peters. Enjoy.



And Mair hasn't fought once this season. He drives the net. He wins battles along the boards. What the hell does Paetsch do? Nothing.


Well Paetsch isn't responsible for goals against as much as Mair is since Paetsch is a career plus and Mair is a career minus.

Mair has two fights. Nov 13th versus Brandon Prust which I witnessed in person and Dec. 14th against Montreal versus Ryan O'Byrne.

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slesh wrote:
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daz28 wrote:
To save money(same as Mair). We so often forget this is a business first. BTG hates wasting money as much as the next guy.


Yeah, he's such a cheapskate. That explains the $56M payroll they're carrying.

/sarcasm

I don't question Tommy G's willingness to spend money. He has proven he is willing to loosen the purse strings.
I think its a Mair situation, and why not, Mair and Paetsch both deserve a chance to play elsewhere, they paid their dues here in Buf.

I don't feel that not wanting to waste a half a million dollars is cheap anyways. If you ain't using the guy, why pay him to sit. Let someone else. Especially if ya have minor leaguers to play.


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BlueandYellow wrote:
Eh, still. Mair is more valuable to the team than Patches. That's why they play him more.


Weak rebuttal to the point. :)

They're different players. For starters, you're trying to compare a forward to a defenseman. Comparing their point production is just silly.

Mair is a grinding forward. Good physical presence, energy guy, not a ton of offensive talent

Patches is a defenseman who has enough offensive ability that he can play forward as well, maybe more offensively gifted than Mair, although a less physical player.

I'd say that Patches gives you more overall. He's a competent 6th/7th defenseman, and a competent 12th/13th forward. You could use him as an injury fill in in either position, except they have enough depth at both that it's not needed.

If you had to make me choose between them, I take Patches, mostly because you can never have enough defenseman.


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