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:lol:

...just kidding, they're going to give the failed Christmas bomber a fucking plea deal now that he's all lawyered up.

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"We have different ways of obtaining information from individuals" in the criminal-justice process, Brennan said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "A lot of people . . . understand what they're facing, and their lawyers recognize that there is advantage to talking to us in terms of plea agreements, [and] we're going to pursue that." Brennan told CNN's "State of the Union" that other terrorism suspects have "given us very valuable information as they've gone through the plea-agreement process."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... %3Dtopnews

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Unbelievable!!!

Whatever happened to setting an example, so people won't do this crap again :doh: :doh:

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Do you want to feel good about executing the foot soldier or do you want to take down the general who planned it?

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Do you want to feel good about executing the foot soldier or do you want to take down the general who planned it?

If you think those two things are mutually exclusive I don't know what to tell you.

But I see where you're coming from, lets ship his happy ass directly to Yemen so he can reload.

EDIT: and BTW, we already know who planned it, where that person is and we're currently dropping bombs on his ass. So that kind of detracts from your point.

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According to the authorities, Abdulmutallab says he made contact via the internet with a radical imam in Yemen who then connected him with al Qaeda leaders in a village north of the country's capital, Sanaa.

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American-born Anwar Awlaki has lived in Yemen since 2002 and is considered a major recruiter for al Qaeda by U.S. authorities. He survived a U.S.-backed air strike earlier this week.

The suspect in the Northwest Airlines attack told FBI agents he lived with the al Qaeda leader in Yemen for about a month and was not allowed to leave as he was trained in what to do and how to do it, authorities said.

At some point, according to the account, Abdulmutallab said he was joined by a Saudi citizen whom he described as an al Qaeda bomb maker.

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So, um waterboard the motherfucker, get the info, then kill him....

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Do you want to feel good about executing the foot soldier or do you want to take down the general who planned it?


I want other terrorists to know that if they try this shit they will be executed - I'm a little barbaric, but I believe that is more of a deterrent than letting them spin a wheel to see how many lies they can tell our government before we set them up in a club med prison facility, for fear that their rights may be violated and that the rest of the world will look at us as being mean to people.

If you try to take down a plane of innocent people, you get shot to death that day, or possibly the next. That is the way I see it.

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Death isn't a worthwhile deterrent for these pricks though.
They consider that a first class ticket to heaven.

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Death isn't a worthwhile deterrent for these pricks though.
They consider that a first class ticket to heaven.


They obviously haven't spent much time with virgins!!! :o :o :o :lol: :lol:

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Crosscheck wrote:
Death isn't a worthwhile deterrent for these pricks though.
They consider that a first class ticket to heaven.

Feed them to pigs ;)

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So, um waterboard the motherfucker, get the info, then kill him....

One problem with this idea. It would mean escalation. We certainly don't want that. Imagine them kidnapping, torturing, and taping U.S. citizens being killed. There were an AWFUL lot of very nasty things happening in WW2, that are basically silenced(not taught in school). If you mistreat prisoners and civilians, then you basically better expect it back. Now I am by no means defending terrorists, but just killing prisoners could come back to haunt us.

Also, if they know you're going to kill them anyways, I doubt you'd get much intel from them.
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It would mean escalation. We certainly don't want that. Imagine them kidnapping, torturing, and taping U.S. citizens being killed.

Yeah, because up til now they've treated our guys with kid gloves....

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Residents in Fallujah said insurgents attacked the contractors with small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades. After the attack, a jubilant crowd of civilians, none of whom appeared to be armed, gathered to celebrate, dragging the bodies through the street and hanging two of them from the bridge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115703,00.html

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A spokesman for the Home Government Department of the province of Sindh said authorities received the tape around 11 p.m. local time (1 p.m. EST) and it "contained scenes showing Mr. Daniel Pearl in captivity and scenes of his murder by the kidnappers."

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asia ... .reporter/

We certainly wouldn't want to provoke them :roll:

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Somebody explain to me how the threat of execution is a deterrent to SUICIDE bombers.

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i want my country safe

in cases such as these, i believe it is best to let the gov't to its own devices, and adopt a dont ask dont tell policy of how they get their info

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
Somebody explain to me how the threat of execution is a deterent to SUICIDE bombers.


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Death isn't a worthwhile deterrent for these pricks though.
They consider that a first class ticket to heaven.


Someone please explain to me why we should allow a foreigner who attempted to murder at least 180 people should be allowed a plea deal.

Pretty please.

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Abusing and mistreating prisoners, although it could be argued as justified, does nothing but reinforce the idea that the US is a piece of shit and deserves what it gets.
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Abusing and mistreating prisoners, although it could be argued as justified, does nothing but reinforce the idea that the US is a piece of shit and deserves what it gets.

Who is arguing we mistreat anyone?

Attempted murdering, suicide bombing asshats deserve the rest of their lifetime to reflect on their failure, not a plea bargain.

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Crosscheck wrote:
Godzilla1960 wrote:
Somebody explain to me how the threat of execution is a deterent to SUICIDE bombers.


Crosscheck wrote:
Death isn't a worthwhile deterrent for these pricks though.
They consider that a first class ticket to heaven.


Someone please explain to me why we should allow a foreigner who attempted to murder at least 180 people should be allowed a plea deal.

Pretty please.

Cross, do you honestly believe that this, or any other admistration, would allow a plea deal (which they haven't thus far) because they feel sorry for the guy? Or can we assume that this administration, like every other admistration, has the best interests of the United States in mind when deciding how to treat this prisoner and if they did offer a plea deal it would be one in which the intellegence we got was worth the deal that gets made?

To suggest otherwise is to assume that somehow the Obama admistration is not as patriotic or as concerned with American safety as other (Republican?) administrations, which is a load of partisan political horseshit.

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Are we condoning those behaviors like dragging bodies through the streets, and videotaping executions?
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Crosscheck wrote:
Who is arguing we mistreat anyone?


NYIntensity wrote:
So, um waterboard the motherfucker, get the info, then kill him....


NYIntensity wrote:
Feed them to pigs ;)


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in cases such as these, i believe it is best to let the gov't to its own devices, and adopt a dont ask dont tell policy of how they get their info


Under Bush, we decided that abusing, torturing, and murdering prisoners was the way to go to extract information. That didn't work. So, now the government wants to follow the laws, and they get criticized for it?

I'm torn on the topic really. On one hand, I'd love to see anyone that attempts an act of terrorism against the US be fucked up and executed summarily. On the other hand, I want us as a nation to be better than these people, and not stoop to their level.

I'm not sure which one is right.
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my thing is, i cant judge on something i know about


if i konw we are commiting acts of torture, then i am 100% against it

if i dont know, then i cant judge what i dont know about

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