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BlueandYellow
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:14 pm 
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I can tell you from living in Toronto and having attended a few Sabres vs Leafs games at the ACC myself there is quite the rivalry. Buffalo isn't such a well liked team around here, losing 10 straight now sure doesn't help the cause. I remember last game i went to at the ACC when the sabres were in town. I went with a friend and we wore Miller jerseys, I'll never forget walking back to our seats these 3 leafs fans tapping us on the shoulder and saying "If you guys were a little older we'd spill our beer over your jerseys." Yes the sabres aren't well liked around here whether it be in school, at the ACC or just in the city. So comments like these from Ryan sure makes me happy too!


See? Laffs fans are th most idiotic, worthless pieces of horse manure ever.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
sabretime30 wrote:
I can tell you from living in Toronto and having attended a few Sabres vs Leafs games at the ACC myself there is quite the rivalry. Buffalo isn't such a well liked team around here, losing 10 straight now sure doesn't help the cause. I remember last game i went to at the ACC when the sabres were in town. I went with a friend and we wore Miller jerseys, I'll never forget walking back to our seats these 3 leafs fans tapping us on the shoulder and saying "If you guys were a little older we'd spill our beer over your jerseys." Yes the sabres aren't well liked around here whether it be in school, at the ACC or just in the city. So comments like these from Ryan sure makes me happy too!


See? Laffs fans are th most idiotic, worthless pieces of horse manure ever.



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the toronto rivalry is only a rivalry from the sabres end. toronto doesnt care about buffalo like they do the sens and habs. personally, i dont hate the leafs.

that being said, fuck it. i originally thought the same way ham did, cause i think ham is wise. but at the same time, miller is miller, and this gets him going. but toronto wont suck forever. especially since monster is the real deal.

Idk how you can say that when we have beat them 10 times in a row.. Your going to hate any team that owns you EVERY TIME you play each other..

We are to the Maple Leafs as the Senators are to us..

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
the toronto rivalry is only a rivalry from the sabres end. toronto doesnt care about buffalo like they do the sens and habs. personally, i dont hate the leafs.

that being said, fuck it. i originally thought the same way ham did, cause i think ham is wise. but at the same time, miller is miller, and this gets him going. but toronto wont suck forever. especially since monster is the real deal.


They've lost 10 in a row to Buffalo.

There is plenty of hate in Toronto for the Sabres.

Either way, that's just talking about the fans.

I'm referring to a team rivalry. It appears as though the Sabres are starting to hate Toronto more than any other team in the league.

living in ontario, i can promise you theres a rivalry

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I agree with some of the posters above. I personally think that if the Sabres have a rival, it is the leafs.

The senators have just been the last 4 seasons, and that is it.

The habs have bigger fish to fry in Toronto and Boston.

Philly doesn't even have Buffalo on their radar. They don't care about us.

We are beating them lately, and have a pretty good record against the leafs overall, but we solidified that rivalry in the 90's.

Domi/Ray battles. Darcy tucker....the "goons" Toronto use to have.

Sure it doesn't seem like a rivalry after we keep beating them...but everytime we lose to the leafs in our arena, we hear it more than we would losing to any other team.

Plus, we have kept them in check. Lots of cups for the leafs, but none since the Sabres were formed.


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VanekKing wrote:
We are to the Maple Leafs as the Senators are to us..


That was on my SAT, and I missed it. Dam.


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The reason the rivalry between Buffalo and Toronto is limited is because they've only been in the same division since 1998.
There's a lack of history.
People seem to forget that.

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This kind of statement is only going to be like blood in the water for a bunch of sharks.

Normally, I would agree with you, Hammy, but there is so much chum in the Toronto waters right now that they don't even notice the little bit of blood that Miller added to it last night. I read the accounts of last night's game in the Globe and Mail, the Toronto Sun, and the Toronto Star and none of them even mentioned Ryan's comments.

They are too busy going after the Leafs themselves.

If anyone should be criticized for calling out the Maple Leafs it should be their coach, Ron Wilson. I don't like the way he publically berated Phil Kessel. Suddenly he is putting all of the Leafs' woes on this kid's shoulders. Kessel is going through a scoring drought, but he is not the reason why the Leafs are so inept. You know a coach is in trouble when he starts attacking the media, which is what Wilson also did by ranting on about how the NHL should have airport-like security to keep the press out of practice.

It's Kessel's fault, it's the media's fault...maybe the problem is a lot closer than Wilson realizes...like right in the mirror.

No, Zilla, you're right. Toronto is a mess. What I'm saying is that other teams around the league have direct evidence that you can get to Miller emotionally by getting in his face and bumping him around. Goaltender is not a position that lends itself to extreme emotion. Look at Robert Esche in the '06 series. Guy just blew up... then they blew up the whole roster.

No, Miller needs to keep his emotions in check and stay focused and sharp. Not because Toronto will use that to their advantage, but because other teams might.

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Hammygoodness wrote:
Godzilla1960 wrote:
Hammygoodness wrote:
This kind of statement is only going to be like blood in the water for a bunch of sharks.

Normally, I would agree with you, Hammy, but there is so much chum in the Toronto waters right now that they don't even notice the little bit of blood that Miller added to it last night. I read the accounts of last night's game in the Globe and Mail, the Toronto Sun, and the Toronto Star and none of them even mentioned Ryan's comments.

They are too busy going after the Leafs themselves.

If anyone should be criticized for calling out the Maple Leafs it should be their coach, Ron Wilson. I don't like the way he publically berated Phil Kessel. Suddenly he is putting all of the Leafs' woes on this kid's shoulders. Kessel is going through a scoring drought, but he is not the reason why the Leafs are so inept. You know a coach is in trouble when he starts attacking the media, which is what Wilson also did by ranting on about how the NHL should have airport-like security to keep the press out of practice.

It's Kessel's fault, it's the media's fault...maybe the problem is a lot closer than Wilson realizes...like right in the mirror.

No, Zilla, you're right. Toronto is a mess. What I'm saying is that other teams around the league have direct evidence that you can get to Miller emotionally by getting in his face and bumping him around. Goaltender is not a position that lends itself to extreme emotion. Look at Robert Esche in the '06 series. Guy just blew up... then they blew up the whole roster.

No, Miller needs to keep his emotions in check and stay focused and sharp. Not because Toronto will use that to their advantage, but because other teams might.

Ham


You forget that Robert Esche sucked to begin with.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Hammygoodness wrote:
Godzilla1960 wrote:
Hammygoodness wrote:
This kind of statement is only going to be like blood in the water for a bunch of sharks.

Normally, I would agree with you, Hammy, but there is so much chum in the Toronto waters right now that they don't even notice the little bit of blood that Miller added to it last night. I read the accounts of last night's game in the Globe and Mail, the Toronto Sun, and the Toronto Star and none of them even mentioned Ryan's comments.

They are too busy going after the Leafs themselves.

If anyone should be criticized for calling out the Maple Leafs it should be their coach, Ron Wilson. I don't like the way he publically berated Phil Kessel. Suddenly he is putting all of the Leafs' woes on this kid's shoulders. Kessel is going through a scoring drought, but he is not the reason why the Leafs are so inept. You know a coach is in trouble when he starts attacking the media, which is what Wilson also did by ranting on about how the NHL should have airport-like security to keep the press out of practice.

It's Kessel's fault, it's the media's fault...maybe the problem is a lot closer than Wilson realizes...like right in the mirror.

No, Zilla, you're right. Toronto is a mess. What I'm saying is that other teams around the league have direct evidence that you can get to Miller emotionally by getting in his face and bumping him around. Goaltender is not a position that lends itself to extreme emotion. Look at Robert Esche in the '06 series. Guy just blew up... then they blew up the whole roster.

No, Miller needs to keep his emotions in check and stay focused and sharp. Not because Toronto will use that to their advantage, but because other teams might.

Ham


You forget that Robert Esche sucked to begin with.


Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with Crim on this one.

If there's one thing that I love about Miller, it's his ability to play even BETTER when he's pissed off.

Most goaltenders would allow their game to all apart, like Thomas giving up that goal during the winter classic.

Miller responded by making 48 saves and shutting the Leafs down... again.

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Miller is known for his cool and collected demeanor, but he isn't perfect. He's very passionate and a competitor, of course every now and then he's going to lose his cool and do something like punch a player in the face after being crosschecked in the back of the head repeatedly.

I love that he says that he doesn't like Toronto...he sounds like a true Buffalonian. Is there really anything more joyful in the world than attending a Sabres-Leafs game and wishing the Leafs fans a safe trip back to Toronto after a Sabres victory?

And as for this maybe showing that roughing Miller up is something that can make him lose his focus... The man made 48 saves last night, despite getting roughed up and throwing a punch at that little bitch Stajan. Miller has said on several occassions that he really doesn't care that players are going to give him trouble in his crease, it's a part of hockey. I agree that goalies are probably more apt to losing their temper than any other position, but I think this season especially we've seen a real maturation in Miller and his mental state. Just look at his post-game interviews. Even after a tough loss he's still objective and even tempered. He's definitely come a long way, but that's not to say every now and then he's going to snap a few times here and there... I like the passion.

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tim thomas didnt fall apart after that goal. it was the only one against.

we've all lost our cool in the crease. ive gotten into several fights (led my team one season in penalty minutes.. as a goalie! my only record :) ) but he cant do that on a regular basis. as for the comments, its just going to make toronto more hungry. so miller better be on top of his game next time. doesnt seem like it should be an issue this season.

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Miller is just awesome.

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Ryan Miller: "And it didn't work that time either" :lol:

I like it, personally. Fuck the Leafs. If he only lets in 2 goals on 50 shots, he can attack any Leaf he goddamn wants. I was at the game but I didn't really see the roughing call, I must've gone blind for a couple of seconds. Is there anywhere I can see it online? Does YouTube usually have roughing penalties? :P

the channel Hockeywebcast on youtube has the roughing call, go there

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
...but he cant do that on a regular basis.

But he doesn't do it on a regular basis, so that's why it's not really a big deal when he loses his cool from time to time.

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Markus wrote:
I agree with some of the posters above. I personally think that if the Sabres have a rival, it is the leafs.

The senators have just been the last 4 seasons, and that is it.

The habs have bigger fish to fry in Toronto and Boston.

Philly doesn't even have Buffalo on their radar. They don't care about us.

We are beating them lately, and have a pretty good record against the leafs overall, but we solidified that rivalry in the 90's.

Domi/Ray battles. Darcy tucker....the "goons" Toronto use to have.

Sure it doesn't seem like a rivalry after we keep beating them...but everytime we lose to the leafs in our arena, we hear it more than we would losing to any other team.

Plus, we have kept them in check. Lots of cups for the leafs, but none since the Sabres were formed.

They aren't really a rival of ours, but the 'Canes fans hate us. They still go on about drunken Sabres fans invading their barn in 2006.

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This is EXACTLY what I want my goaltender to do. I don't want to hear run of the mill , garden variety answers. I want to hear 'Yeah, I punched him in the face, what of it?'.


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I think Miller has all the right in the world to say what he said in the post game interview. Two many times has he been knocked around in the crease over the past few years. What i think were seeing is just our goaltender becoming more of a leader off the ice as well as on the ice. He's starting to show that he has the ability to fire his team up and if he's upset speak how it should be done. We saw this when he blasted the rest of the team in the locker room after constantly having to win games by himself night in and night out while getting no support. In past years when he was ran into the crease not many players stood up and this year that has been a big change.

With this post game interview he's just speaking how he feels and he's truly right. Why the heck do you have to announce it before the game, that your game plan is to run the goalie? Why is it ok to cross check the goalie in the back of the head? He has all the right in the world to say these things, and in a secret way it also may be another way of him asking for more support from his tough guys when this instances occur.

With Ryan he doesn't trash talk or stir shit up everyday or for the heck of it. He speaks when it needs to be addressed and i think he did a great job of doing it in this interview and other instances over this season (locker room speech). He's made it clear if their going to keep doing these things, it's just going to fire him up to play even better and it's show this year and with the 10 straight wins against the Leafs. Personally I think he's just showing/becoming a bigger leader off the ice as well as on the ice.

Just my 0.02

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fly as hale wrote:
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...but he cant do that on a regular basis.

But he doesn't do it on a regular basis, so that's why it's not really a big deal when he loses his cool from time to time.


exactly. i completely agree. when i first saw it, i was upset thinking he was just going postal. but then i found out about the hit stajan made on him.

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The Leafs are, and have always been rivals; even when they were in the west.

Proximity is one thing; but this rivalry was cemented the moment former Toronto Coach and GM Punch Imlach was hired by The Knoxes to run The Sabres.

Even the original uniforms closely resembled The Leafs threads. At one point the league had Buffalo modify the uniforms to look less like The Leafs uni's.

I remember games having a great atmosphere for The Leafs in the early and mid - late seventies. I remember taunting going on between fans at The Aud. "As soon as you assholes get back over into Canada, we're going to burn down The Peace Bridge so you'll stay there!"

Beautiful.......

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