Xcheck, what I'm hearing from you sounds a lot like the other side's argument too. You both are arguing over essentially a word, and want to use it to your own ends. I've always thought the argument over "marriage" was silly and pointless and that the importance that many people attach to the word marriage in the gay community was overblown. But you're doing the same thing by trying to exclude a gay couple from using the word. If you truly don't care, then so what? A marriage is about a relationship and a commitment, and if you think that a gay couple being married somehow takes away from that...well, I just don't get it. It's not about their choices, it's about your choices and your marriage.

Also, The fact that you need to make a distinction between your marriage and a gay marriage indicates to me that you see your own marriage as somehow more legitimate than theirs. Comments like "if two guys can get married, why not a guy and an elephant?" also convey that sense of the illegitimacy of homosexual relationships, and I've heard you make such comments. From where I stand, it's hard for you to make statements like you have "no problem with the gay community" when you couple them with statements like yours on gay marriage.

Holy fucking fuck...Boyes couldn't suck a dick if it landed in his mouth.

I voted against Prop 8, so don't get all preachy on me

I know this isn't an opinion thread, and seeing as I'm pro-gay marriage, I really don't have any additional points to add to what NY has already said.

I've just come to say that I would love to see a march with the theme song from Married with Children booming all around. Love and marriage, love and marriage, go together like a horse and carriage... I think it would totally melt all opposing views in a giant pool of Frank.

PSP, I like the avatar, but something's gotta give. I keep on mistaking you for Xcheck.

Okay I'll change it.

I just find it laughable that some people who are against gay marriage say it's because marriage is "sacred". Yeah, okay. How about we illegalize divorce and we'll see how "sacred" those people really think marriage is.

ETA:

Well, I would hope so for a card-carrying libertarian.

And I don't mean to get preachy but I've felt for a long time that people on both sides of this argument need to chillax. I mean what's so sacred about, for example, Tiger Woods' marriage? It's not what you call it, it's what it means to you.

I voted against Prop 8, so don't get all preachy on me

We need term limits and lobbyist money out of DC first.
But mostly term limits.

Careful.

Marriage as an entity in today's culture is far from sacred due to its tarnished record of divorce rates.

But marriage can still be sacred to certain people.

There is a difference.

So you would be for the illegalization of divorce?

Absolutely not. That's against free will.

I do believe that a prerequisite for getting married though wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

I'd also support a requirement for marriage counseling before a divorce is processed. At the very least, it would make individuals more understanding of their failures and, hopefully, lessen the ugliness of legal battles in divorce court.

Holy fucking fuck...Boyes couldn't suck a dick if it landed in his mouth.

Marriage for heterosexuals, civil unions for homosexuals, separate but equal. That's legal according to the Constitution right? Plessy Vs. Ferguson all the way!!!