I know it's my butt - I've been told so. It's also the Irish caps and sideburns - a dude once told me he'd buy me beers all night if I let him look at me. My wife at the time drank for free, too. I know how to work it

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mechaphil

Can we make this the BDSM debauchery thread?

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Proud LGBTQQ Individual

I think that's a bad idea for most on the Junkie

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mechaphil

Ah people can handle a little CBT.

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Proud LGBTQQ Individual

I don't know if this was your intention or not, but that came across extremely wrong-ly. And by wrong-ly, I mean very stereotypical and homophobic. There's stereotypes for all groups of people who have something in common, that does not make them true. Not every gay person is Perez Hilton, and there's no reason to ban marriage to them as a whole because of the few who do act in a certain way which may not be appealing to you.

I like to post at work, because, you know, I'm at work and love a little distraction sometimes. However, as many of you know, I work as a school teacher and often am posting with students in my classroom. (Yeah, I probably should be dedicating more of my time to them.)

I think you can see where I'm going with this....

So, more nude pics then Stu?

j/k

I really have nothing to interject here, because i quite honestly couldn't care less either way; but just wanted to make a joke

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"She's like plan C after an 18 pack"

Squanto 7/27/2010

Well played, sir, well played

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mechaphil

haha, any time between 7:30 am and 5pm and odds are I'm on at work too

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Proud LGBTQQ Individual

Sneaky, I was extreeeeeemly anti gay people in the 70's and 80's. I've come a loooong way since then to where I am now. Back then, the gay people I knew were really creepy. Its hard to like an entire set of people when the only people you know from that set are just really weird.

However...later in life, I worked with a woman that was gay and she was just so nice and we became very good friends. Then I met a gay man at my next job and he and his partner were so committed and such a well-rounded couple that I realized it was gay people I had a problem with, it was weird people.

However...my former opinion on gay people, the one in the 70's and 80's, is the unfortunate opinion of a lot of 'normal' (i put it in quotes so as not to be berated for my use of the term) people on the gay community. All they see is the Gay Pride marches on the news and the people on MTV. So, that way, when they see a person that is outwardly gay, they are prone to think they are really the flamboyant examples they see on TV. Ignorant? Yes. But it is what it is.

My main concern is the abuse of marriage by all people. If (CV or Phil...can't remember) you are unable to stay with someone until you are a hundred, you shouldn't get married. You should just live together. Marriage isn't for you. And that's okay. Divorce is expensive, lengthy, heartbreaking and messy. Moving out takes a weekend and a U-haul rental. If marriages were as hard to get into as they are to get out of, we would see way less divorces. IMHO

I'll be waiting to be attacked like a bag of doritos being descended upon by a flock of seagulls at the beach...

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Its NNYFAN, but you can just call me Kris.

Oh man did my divorce suck. Just sayin.

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mechaphil

Jeez Phil, you're way ahead of me. Married and divorced by 24, whereas I won't even be married until I'm 36. Trade you some of my age for some of your life experience?

The concept of marriage means different things depending on the context, religion vs legal.

When people stop trying to mix the two, the issue becomes much clearer.

Deal. I'm also a dad, too, don't forget.

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mechaphil

I don't see disallowing someone to have the title of marriage and forcing two people to remain legally bound together as two of the same.

Liberty and justice for all is fine and dandy. They have their liberty. They have equal rights.

I see it as a category. Man and woman are categorized as a marriage. Gay couples are categorized as a civil union.

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Wheelhouse

Except in many parts of the county, the rights conveyed to both situations are not equal.

Lets take a common example. Health insurance. Most of the time, one partner in a relationship gets the family insurance option, and puts their other partner on their plan. Simple enough right?

In most of the country, homosexual couples can't do that. They can be in a civil union, but the insurance company doesn't recognize anything but a marriage, so they're not allowed.

Homosexual partners are regularly blocked from visiting their partner in the hospital because they're not a spouse.

Separate but equal really rings true here. Until all the legal rights conveyed to homosexual couples in civil unions are the same as the legal rights conveyed to heterosexual couples with government issued marriage licenses, there is no equality between the two situations.

We are members of the elite few, Phil...

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So, maybe it's not marriage that needs to be changed, but how the legalities amongst those in a civil union are treated. I know of a woman that was married for many years and her husband died. Years later, she is in a relationship with a new man, but doesnt' want to get married because of religious reasons, but would like to be legally taken care of as if she were married in the eyes of the law. A civil union would be perfect for her...binding her to her new man withough it being a spiritual thing.

If civil unions could be what is done in a Justice of the Peace situation and marriage is done in a church setting, but both are equal in the eyes of the law...as stated above, it would be a way to go without people being offended and not making it a homophobic issue. Most of the argument within the gay community is the packed with the arguments above...no access to your partner in teh hospital, insurance issues, etc. I don't think changing the man and a woman aspect of marriage is truly what the gay community is after, as much as equality and rights. I think changing the legalities of a civil union would appease most of everyone's complaints on both sides of the fence.

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Its NNYFAN, but you can just call me Kris.

But let's all admit why we're talking about this.
Prop 8 being challenged in Federal court.

Civil unions in California grant all the same rights. The law suit is over the word marriage.

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Hold my beer and watch this...

I'll trust you reading of that, I haven't paid that close attention to it.

If that's it, it's silly. As I said before, as long as the legal rights conveyed with to any couple are the same, call it whatever you want.

May be like that in Cali, but it's not that way in other parts of the country.