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Skyline_BNR34
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:34 am 
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Well he is continuing his point streak to a record 13 games now is it?

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Well he is continuing his point streak to a record 13 games now is it?

Is it a personal record? Doesnt seem like it would be a team record..

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It is a personal record. The team record is 18 games by who else - Gil.

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Skyline_BNR34
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:58 pm 
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Well record for him is what I meant.

He has beat his previous best by about 6 games I think it was 7 games for him.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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It's also the longest current streak in the league.

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The signing would look good only if he could stay healthy.

We already know he can put up almost a PPG or be that player, and we know he produces in the playoffs.


Ding, ding, ding.

The questions were never about Timmah's talent. They were all about the likelihood that he would stay healthy.

I'm hoping that I eat crow about the extension.


My confidence about re-signing Connolly wasn't just about talent. With the way he finished last season there was no reason to expect him to have more injury issues. He finally got healthy, played 48 straight games, played with some physicality, and came into camp full speed ahead. Unless you fall into the trap of labeling players as "injury prone", or just figure a player will keep on having stange bad luck like some voodoo curse, signing a player in his prime while he's a near ppg producer is the right move.

Taking "a chance" on a player staying healthy when the production rate is almost guaranteed is a lot safer bet than signing a player that you hope will produce up to the money. We've seen 10-20 complete busts in the FA market the last two seasons on players that didn't have a history on the IR. In comparison to those deals, and some that came through with fair value, Connolly has been well worth the 4.5 mil cap hit.


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Jim Bob
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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
Jim Bob wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
The signing would look good only if he could stay healthy.

We already know he can put up almost a PPG or be that player, and we know he produces in the playoffs.


Ding, ding, ding.

The questions were never about Timmah's talent. They were all about the likelihood that he would stay healthy.

I'm hoping that I eat crow about the extension.


My confidence about re-signing Connolly wasn't just about talent. With the way he finished last season there was no reason to expect him to have more injury issues. He finally got healthy, played 48 straight games, played with some physicality, and came into camp full speed ahead. Unless you fall into the trap of labeling players as "injury prone", or just figure a player will keep on having stange bad luck like some voodoo curse, signing a player in his prime while he's a near ppg producer is the right move.

Taking "a chance" on a player staying healthy when the production rate is almost guaranteed is a lot safer bet than signing a player that you hope will produce up to the money. We've seen 10-20 complete busts in the FA market the last two seasons on players that didn't have a history on the IR. In comparison to those deals, and some that came through with fair value, Connolly has been well worth the 4.5 mil cap hit.


There is risk with any contract that you sign a player to.

There was an injury risk with the Gaborik signing in NY and that is working out OK, for now, for the Rangers. Much better than the Drury signing.....

But, given what we know about concussions and Connolly's history of concussion issues, I wouldn't just dismiss his injury history merely because he's gone a little over a year without serious injury.

Tim played 80 regular season games in 2002-03 and then wasn't physically able to play again until the start of the 2005-06 season.

Four straight season with 63 or fewer games played worried me. And I obviously wasn't alone.

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Sabresfansince1980
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When he was re-signed, he was past the question mark stage with the concussion and any other injuries. Also, the whole concussion thing was overblown, because he went without being properly treated for almost a year. Some neck/chiropractic type treatment solved his pain and dizziness in short order, after another player stumbled upon the same solution. After that it was a matter of getting his body in game shape after a year off the ice, and totally unrelated injuries that were purely bad luck. Once he was back healthy, with no lingering side effects, it was simply a matter of getting over the fear factor - logic over emotion - to keep a valuable player.


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Jim Bob
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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
When he was re-signed, he was past the question mark stage with the concussion and any other injuries. Also, the whole concussion thing was overblown, because he went without being properly treated for almost a year. Some neck/chiropractic type treatment solved his pain and dizziness in short order, after another player stumbled upon the same solution. After that it was a matter of getting his body in game shape after a year off the ice, and totally unrelated injuries that were purely bad luck. Once he was back healthy, with no lingering side effects, it was simply a matter of getting over the fear factor - logic over emotion - to keep a valuable player.


Players are never past the question mark stage when they've had multiple concussions like Connolly has had.

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That logic would prevent any player that had a concussion(s) from ever being signed again. We would all be trashing Darcy while Connolly chugged along for another team if the front office took that angle.

Also with that logic, Roy and Stafford should be on a watch list, and Kaleta should be out the door this summer.


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Jim Bob
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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
That logic would prevent any player that had a concussion(s) from ever being signed again. We would all be trashing Darcy while Connolly chugged along for another team if the front office took that angle.

Also with that logic, Roy and Stafford should be on a watch list, and Kaleta should be out the door this summer.


It's all about risk assessment.

You seem to have figured the injury risk on Connolly was a lot lower than I have.

I have never said that the team should never sign a player with a concussion.

I just don't believe that there is the same injury risk for a person with 0 concussions as there is with someone with 1 as there is with someone with 2 or 3, etc.

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I understand, I just think once a player has returned and proven themselves on the ice, they fall into a much larger group of players that have also had head injuries but still have produced. There's A LOT of players out there with a history of mild-major concussions (unfortunately), and they produce at various levels of production that have to do with their talent, not previous IR status. Connolly IMO came out of that high risk category before the signing, and was therefore very much worth the cap hit.

If we were discussing the re-sign in the summer after the Shaeffer hit, I would have the same opinion as you did (do) about the last re-sign.


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Concussions are never good, but if you get treated properly you most likely won't have to worry about PCS.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Jim Bob
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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I understand, I just think once a player has returned and proven themselves on the ice, they fall into a much larger group of players that have also had head injuries but still have produced. There's A LOT of players out there with a history of mild-major concussions (unfortunately), and they produce at various levels of production that have to do with their talent, not previous IR status. Connolly IMO came out of that high risk category before the signing, and was therefore very much worth the cap hit.

If we were discussing the re-sign in the summer after the Shaeffer hit, I would have the same opinion as you did (do) about the last re-sign.


Sorry, but I don't see 1/2 of a season as enough to move a guy from a "High Risk" pool to a "Low Risk" pool.

And I don't even work for a car insurance company!

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I think he's on pace for a solid 60 assist season. Livin' up to that contract extension for sure.

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How many games in a row now is is point streak? 13??

EDIT: Just checked. It's up to 14 games.

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4.5 is starting to look like a steal now ;)

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14 games, and counting! Timbo is on the warpath!


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4 more to tie the Sabres record.

Longest active streak in the NHL right now.

6 goals and 17 assists in 14 games.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Lord, he's the hottest player in the league atm.

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