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SchonyGal
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:59 pm 
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Cigarette taxes per state http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/research ... f/0097.pdf. Effective 11/2009 - Average cost per pack = $5.15 plus taxes.
That would be about right for NYS (not NYC) with the cost of a pack at about $8.00. The proposal, would increase it another dollar.


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i dont know. im not stupid enough to smoke cigarettes.

This is your problem right there...
Stunning.


You think you're smarter than other people and have no problem having your will imposed on them for what you percieve as their own good.

You are a fascist.


look, i watched my grandma go through a long, painful death due to a lifetime of smoking. why people choose to get into that habit now, is beyond me.

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look, i watched my grandma go through a long, painful death due to a lifetime of smoking. why people choose to get into that habit now, is beyond me.

I've been through a similar experience, but that doesn't give you, me, or a bunch of politicians the right to take away freedoms.

I'm a Libertarian. If an American adult wants to ruin their life or destroy their body, that's their individual choice.
It's not like there's anyone left that doesn't know how bad smoking is. People choose to do it anyway.

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Both my father's parents died of cancer that was related to smoking. However, if they were obese they would have probably died earlier, so maybe the smoking added years to their lives. He died at 80, she died at 81.

I think smoking should be taken up after the age of 35, though, because most obesity creeps in after that age when the metabolism begins to slow down. That way, the more dangerous long-term smoking effects are reduced drastically.

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Taxing cigarettes is counterproductive. As I've said in other threads, smoking has been proven to reduce obesity, so if anything they should subsidize tobacco and provide it medicinally to those with qualifying BMIs.

Here's my slogan:

President Obama smokes and he's thin. :clap:

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Michael Moore doesn't smoke and he's fat. :naughty:

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Be like Barak Obama, and smoke your body fat away!

I'm thin and I don't smoke.

Tax the shit out of cigarettes, much rather make people go broke then have to breathe in your filthy cig smoke.

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im going concede after this post, i think. but if a state hurting for funds wants to tax a vice for the good of the state, im for it. if me paying an extra 50 cents a beer at the bar helps the great state of michigan out of this (self induced) economic crisis, then i am for it. i just dont think the individual should put themselves first in this case, if it can help a great number of people, potentially.

the smoking vs anti-smoking debate, thats for a different thread.

note: economic crises, i mean the downward trend michigan has taken due to the deteriorating auto industry we lean on way too much.

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I'm thin and I don't smoke. Tax the shit out of cigarettes, much rather make people go broke then have to breathe in your filthy cig smoke.


You may be thin now, but you're still just a kid. Give it time. In 15-20 years, when you've added another 50 lbs, THEN you'll need to start puffing away the poundage.

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End The Curse wrote:
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I'm thin and I don't smoke. Tax the shit out of cigarettes, much rather make people go broke then have to breathe in your filthy cig smoke.


You may be thin now, but you're still just a kid. Give it time. In 15-20 years, when you've added another 50 lbs, THEN you'll need to start puffing away the poundage.

I'm never going to smoke, or ever let myself get that way ETC.

If I were to gain 50 pounds, It wouldn't be a huge deal, 200 on a 6 foot frame.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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End The Curse
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
End The Curse wrote:
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I'm thin and I don't smoke. Tax the shit out of cigarettes, much rather make people go broke then have to breathe in your filthy cig smoke.


You may be thin now, but you're still just a kid. Give it time. In 15-20 years, when you've added another 50 lbs, THEN you'll need to start puffing away the poundage.

I'm never going to smoke, or ever let myself get that way ETC.

If I were to gain 50 pounds, It wouldn't be a huge deal, 200 on a 6 foot frame.

Hey, if you stay skinny and never need to smoke, great. Take that chance if you want. I'm not saying every person in the world must smoke, but I do think we should tax all Americans so that those who do have weight problems can be provided with cigarette benefits as part of their health care coverage.

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I'd rather be overweight and have the option to do something about it than have lung cancer and have fewer options.

Just my opinion.


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SchonyGal
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This thread is about increased taxes in NYS, not a smoking debate :doh:


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SchonyGal wrote:
This thread is about increased taxes in NYS, not a smoking debate :doh:

Yes, that's why I suggested cigarettes should be provided medicinally as a health care benefit to fight obesity in America. :D

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SchonyGal
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I love the suggested letter which tells you to be polite and professional.
How are you supposed to do that when you when to tell them to stick it where the sun doesn't shine? ;)

Anyway, here's my question; When you contact your elected official(s), are you supposed to write to all of these; Federal Senate, Federal House, State Governor, State Senate, & State House?


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SchonyGal wrote:
Anyway, here's my question; When you contact your elected official(s), are you supposed to write to all of these; Federal Senate, Federal House, State Governor, State Senate, & State House?

Depends on the issue but write anyone that directly represents you.
Not often does an issue span both State and Federal at the same time though.

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I happen to agree with Crosscheck here. I may not like smoking, but its not my place to tell others how to live their life.

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im for banning smoking in public places, all of them that are not bars, saloons, and the such

on your private non company residence, then feel free to smoke(unless your landlord prohibits it, like my dad does)

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I don't care that people smoke.. well.. whatever they decide to. I do have a problem getting that smell stuck in my clothing. I'm glad that people can't smoke in bars and the such, and I don't think it bothers people that much. I know lots who just go outside and smoke then come back in and continue having a good time. If the gov't really wants to make golden, legalize pot and tax the hell out of it.

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I'm a Libertarian. If an American adult wants to ruin their life or destroy their body, that's their individual choice.

While on some levels Libertarianism is very appealing in its call for absolute freedom, my problem with the philosophy is that it fundamentally misunderstands human society.

Libertarians make the assumption that we are a collection of autonomous individuals, living amongst, but not interconnected with, other autonomous individuals. We are all free to do whatever we want, because we have no impact on anyone but ourselves. In other words Libertarians miss, in a profound way, that human beings are one of the most communal, social animals on the planet. We are connected to other people in so many ways that almost all of our individual actions have some impact on other members of our community.

Smoking is no different.

We make the assumption that when people smoke they are participating in an individual action that only has individual consequences, but this is not true. There are economic costs accrued to each of us in society when individuals choose to smoke.

Smokers put a greater strain on the healthcare system than non-smokers due to the higher rates of illness they suffer. Lower income families who lose bread winners due to smoking related illness put a greater strain on the social welfare system. Mothers who smoke during pregnancy are more likely to have low birth weight babies, requiring the most expensive neo-natal healthcare.

As a result of this increased impact we all pay higher taxes to fund government health care programs, like Medicare, and in higher health insurance premiums.

Smokers cost businesses in productivity, not only because of their need for frequent smoking breaks, but because of their greater absenteeism due to smoking related illnesses. Smoking is the leading cause of preventable deaths and those deaths have an economic impact on business and productivity.

We pay for this decreased productivity in the form of higher prices for goods and services.

These are all hidden taxes and costs that both smokers and non-smokers alike must pay. I have smoked cigars for 25 years. Why should non-smokers have to pay for my habit, which they themselves don’t engage in?

Is that fair? Do a minority of smokers have a right to unilaterally inflict those costs on the majority of people who do not smoke?

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