You're right...because it's been the Democrats that have been on the wrong side of half of the major social issues of the last 100 years.

Wrong side of Civil rights reform.
Created massive government entitlement programs (social Security and Medicare) that are now insolvent or will be in the next 5-10 years.

Now we're going to give away more goodies we can't pay for!
That's the Democratic legacy on social issues.

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At least they chose a side(and I'm not even defending them). That's my whole point. Don't just be an asshole sitting up in congress putting pass/fail on everyone else's ideas saying, "We need to downscale on everything I don't like". I have no idea how the Republican party ever gained macho status, because they aren't the bolder of the 2 parties for sure.

Yeah...they're the minority going against a supermajority in both houses and the other party holds the executive....what Republicans need to do more of is roll over.
Give me a stinking break.

...and the "boldness" we're witnessing is why Republicans always get power back.
This current batch of Democrats are trying to set a record for getting thrown out on their ears....Pelosi has already admitted she's fine with sacrificing Democratic seats to pass health care reform...because her San Francisco seat is perfectly safe.

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Maybe the Republicans let them be on top right now so they would look foolish? They couldn't have planned it any better. Pelosi and Reid make McCain and Palin look like the duke boys. Some strange looking(acting) people right there. The whole political game is pathetic, but it just seems the Republicans are the masters of pathetic(that is actually a compliment).

On a side note: the people want change. It doesn't appear imminent w/o one side being butt-hurt. If the people want something bad enough, then these guys should be able to hammer out a compromise ffs. It's basically their job to do so. I understand the interference if it's flawed, but you have to use the system to de-flaw it, and get the job done. Just stalling something until it runs out of steam is crazy. How about this: the people want it, so no vacations or days off until it's done. They make damn good money, so there is NO reason to come back to us with no results. I ain't blaming no one, because they BOTH(sides) are hiding from their inability to get their job done, for us.

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Oh God, please PLEASE slow down... no, STOP legislation to combat global warming. Kill the Cap and Trade legislation! For the love of your country!

Ham

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Do you honestly believe that pelosi has the interest of the american people at mind. do honestly believe that any politician does. I mean look at their health care, and salary. It is sad when a doctor cannot afford to go to the Mayo clinic, but a government official can. And what doctors go to school for well over 8 years of college, i know i'm still going. Hmm, i highly doubt all of congress has gone that long, maybe some, the lawyers, some other professional students. But then again i guess it comes to simple human nature where nobody can truly be incorruptible and are driven by power. Be honest at one point in your life you've felt the rush of power, whether it be as simple as squashing a bug to as big as control over another. The healthcare bill as i have read, on all networks of news (I read both sides then try to figure out what is right fuck the bias they throw in), seems to just be an extension of welfare, which is already a system that is failing. The hardworking pay for those who wish to not work. It was a good idea and can still be one, but it has become a culture where people look to live on welfare. Welfare when used to help yourself get back on your feet is a great idea (Fuck those who abuse the program). So where is it a good idea to give these people healthcare. Now the hardworking have to pay more for those who don't. As well america is based on the middle class. i don't really think small business especially when starting off can afford to fully pay healthcare. I see this bill killing off small business, which kills new ideas, kills competitive prices, and allows for big manufacturers to get richer as they now dictate how the prices are set. And if the government then has to step in to take over that is Marx going to be right?

As for pharmaceutical companies, they really suck. they could mass produce the vaccine but no they want their cut. they don't give a flying fuck about anyone but themselves.

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as well the whole flip flopping of ideas is a load of crap. perfect example; republicans teddy roosevelt cares so much about nature preservation that he sets aside what we call national parks. today most republicans are less conscious about nature preservation, and democrats have taken that stand. Parties are bullshit. To be president you must have the interest of the american people at mind not be dictated by some party. I urge everyone to look at both sides of the coin. Do not get your news from john stewart. read both sides. and make a judgement for the best of the country not the best of your party.

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Great article on what is wrong with Washington - the U.S. Senate. Some choice quotes:

"They've wasted six months and done nothing, and they subject themselves to undemocratic rules that frustrate the will of the majority of the American people and of them. And we can do all kinds of things but in the end, it doesn't matter what we do if they don't go along with it. We pass a lot of good things, and it goes over there to die." - Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y.

"It just sort of reeked of the worst of politics. The 'Louisiana purchase,' the Nebraska thing, voting on Christmas Eve, this excise tax sort of oozing up from the swamp." - said Rep. Rob Andrews, D-N.J. on the Senate version of healthcare 'reform'

"Nothing makes people angrier than a minority frustrating what the American people want a majority to do, and the majority's going to have to work its will." - Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif.


"There's a lot of anger at the Senate"
House Democrats think they've figured out the problem with healthcare reform: The Senate

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/ ... index.html

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No, the "problem" is the American people. At least as far as health care reform goes. There is no majority support for the current plans out there. And the Senate is supposed to be the chamber that slows down legislation, particularly radical, country-altering legislation like the health care bill. If there was such a huge push for this legislation to pass, then those threatening to filibuster would be inundated with pressure to cave in. In fact, it's been quite the opposite, with pressure not to pass it. Just sour grapes from the Congressional Democrats.

Ham

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Except that the bill and plan that American people wanted, and overwhelmingly supported, couldn't get passed because of the obstructionist attitude of the minority, combined with the abject falsehoods spewed out by their media partners.

The will of the American people means nothing in Washington.

All the polling shows more opposition than support. Where are you getting your info? If you say that they did, at one point, support it, but then the American people changed their opinion over time, you've just given a perfect example of why the Senate is set up the way it is.

Ham

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The early incarnations of the bill were well supported by the public. Poll numbers showed a significant majority of Americans were in favor of the bill.

Senate Republicans then went on a hard stalling campaign. During that campaign, Fox News and other media outlets told us how a government run 'death panel' was going to kill grandma because she wasn't a value to society. They told us that health care would be rationed with priority given to valuable members of society.

It was all lies, but people bought it. Public opinion against the bill went south because PEOPLE BELIEVED THESE LIES.

It's the typical Republican machine. When in power, ram everything you want through. Remember, reconciliation is OK when the Repubs do it, but when Dems suggest it, they're unAmerican. When not in power, delay and stall in order to manufacture outrage based on falsehoods, then use that to show how the other party can't get anything done.

In the end, we all lose.

To give health care to all it MUST be rationed.
That's not a lie it's blindingly obvious.

Oh...
This health care reform attempt was killed by the ineptitude of Democrats.
Quit whining...this is as good as those idiots could do.

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- Lindy Ruff, 23 Feb. 2007

I don't disagree that the ineptitude of the currently elected Democrats has caused many problems in the process of getting a bill done.

However, I'm not fucking 'whining' by pointing out the disinformation and lies perpetuated by the Republican noise machine throughout the process.

Right...so that's not "fear mongering".
It's the damn truth.

I'd rather my pocketbook do the rationing and not some career bureaucrat pushing paper.

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- Lindy Ruff, 23 Feb. 2007

Fear mongering is ignoring the fact that rationing already exists in the private insurance system while warning about the 'dangers' of it happening with proposed changes.

That's exactly what happened.

Insurance companies already have career bureaucrats pushing paper making decisions about what care they feel you are qualified for.