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 Post subject: Your tax dollars at work
PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:46 am 
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...to make this country strong again?
...for all his accomplishments?
...red, yellow, black or white, all are equal in his sight??????

I don't care if you love Obama, this is batshit insane and downright wrong.

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Wow, that is sad.

Too bad nothing of what he said will happen.

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The individuals responsible for this should be fired.

Children and not pawns to be used for political machinations.


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Squanto wrote:
The individuals responsible for this should be fired.

Children and not pawns to be used for political machinations.


Honest question:
Has crap like this ever been perpetrated in our entire history?
This is flat out political indoctrination.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:47 am 
Wow what a bunch of bull shit.


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My one friend is a teacher in Oklahoma. On the weekends he teaches Sunday School at his church for 10 year olds. The person he taught with was crazy. She told this kids that Bush would beat Kerry because Bush was chosen by God to lead us to victory against the Muslims. If that had been taped and put up on youtube you bet people would be unfairly bashing conservatives and Christians for that garbage. To my friend's credit he immediately told the students that the previous statement wasn't true.

I don't fault Bush for that girl's idiocy. Nor do I fault Obama for this teacher's idiocy. There are a lot of fanatics out there. Not all of them are the Bible thumping kind. Some just have misplaced/misguided intentions. Others, like the crazy Sunday school lady do not. At any level this is wrong. More so though in this case because children that young have a major tendency to believe what they are told. No matter what one's intentions are it's not acceptable to preach like that in a school setting.

Sometimes I wish people like the one in the youtube video were US Senators and not teachers. I believe they would be doing less harm to the future of this country that way since a US Senator doesn't do work. Look we all know why they haven't read any of the healthcare bills... they are all illiterate.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:30 pm 
dontbethatguy wrote:
My one friend is a teacher in Oklahoma. On the weekends he teaches Sunday School at his church for 10 year olds. The person he taught with was crazy. She told this kids that Bush would beat Kerry because Bush was chosen by God to lead us to victory against the Muslims. If that had been taped and put up on youtube you bet people would be unfairly bashing conservatives and Christians for that garbage. To my friend's credit he immediately told the students that the previous statement wasn't true.

I don't fault Bush for that girl's idiocy. Nor do I fault Obama for this teacher's idiocy. There are a lot of fanatics out there. Not all of them are the Bible thumping kind. Some just have misplaced/misguided intentions. Others, like the crazy Sunday school lady do not. At any level this is wrong. More so though in this case because children that young have a major tendency to believe what they are told. No matter what one's intentions are it's not acceptable to preach like that in a school setting.

Sometimes I wish people like the one in the youtube video were US Senators and not teachers. I believe they would be doing less harm to the future of this country that way since a US Senator doesn't do work. Look we all know why they haven't read any of the healthcare bills... they are all illiterate.


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dontbethatguy wrote:
I don't fault Bush for that girl's idiocy. Nor do I fault Obama for this teacher's idiocy. There are a lot of fanatics out there. Not all of them are the Bible thumping kind. Some just have misplaced/misguided intentions. Others, like the crazy Sunday school lady do not. At any level this is wrong.


When my tax dollars start funding that Sunday school I'll get upset.
Until then, there's no comparison.

The people responsible for this should be fired....better yet, their union should be sued and forced to dissolve.

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Crosscheck wrote:
dontbethatguy wrote:
I don't fault Bush for that girl's idiocy. Nor do I fault Obama for this teacher's idiocy. There are a lot of fanatics out there. Not all of them are the Bible thumping kind. Some just have misplaced/misguided intentions. Others, like the crazy Sunday school lady do not. At any level this is wrong.


When my tax dollars start funding that Sunday school I'll get upset.
Until then, there's no comparison.

The people responsible for this should be fired....better yet, their union should be sued and forced to dissolve.

No there is. Using that logic unless your tax dollars are directly funding that school district where the incident occurred then you shouldn't get upset? If things like this aren't occurring in the school district your tax money goes to then there is no reason to be upset.

The outrageous act here isn't the public funding of tax dollars to that teacher. It's the teacher's abuse of her authority over an highly impressionable audience. Whether it's an isolated case or a systemic thing is purely speculative at this point. In any case it's wrong and something should be done about it.

If you want a public school example I'll provide one. In 3rd grade (I was still in public school at the time) I had a teacher drop a ball bearing 4 times on my hand to demonstrate to me and the class that war was bad, evil, etc. I was asked if it hurt. The obvious answer being yes. We then talked about Ann Frank and how ball bearings similar to the one dropped on my hand were used in WWII by Nazis and the Japanese to kill innocent civilians. The whole point was absurd. War is never a good thing. People get that.

However, to tell stories of how ball bearings like the one dropped on my hand would shatter bones on impact and cause people to die slowly was not 3rd grade level material. Nor was it unbiased. Japanese and Germans were just blanketed as bad. The whole experience still irks me to this day. We weren't praising a President we were just stigmatizing Germans and Japanese as bad people and anyone who supports was as evil.

I went home and complained to my parents. My parents then complained to the school. The teacher wasn't fired nor was he asked to apologize. In fact nothing happened at all. My parents tax dollars directly at work there since it was their money that was going to that school district.

I believe Clinton was President then. I don't think people would point the finger at Clinton for my 3rd grade teacher's antiwar views and lesson plan. Regardless of whether or not the school or teacher is privately or publicly funded these actions are still reprehensible.

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I follow your point, but it doesn't hold up to the Sunday school example.
Parents would have to seek out and voluntarily put their kids in Sunday school (which is, after all, a place of pure indoctrination).
Most parents have no choice but to send their kids to public school and are required to by law.

It's voluntary vs. involuntary indoctrination.

2 totally different situations.

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Crosscheck wrote:
I follow your point, but it doesn't hold up to the Sunday school example.
Parents would have to seek out and voluntarily put their kids in Sunday school (which is, after all, a place of pure indoctrination).
Most parents have no choice but to send their kids to public school and are required to by law.

It's voluntary vs. involuntary indoctrination.

2 totally different situations.

True. I guess because except for k through 4 I went to Catholic Schools. So I tend to look at schools as being a voluntary thing even though it's not up to a certain point. I've had so many friends who were either home schooled, attended public school, private, or went somewhere on vouchers I don't view it as an involuntary thing anymore given the number of options available/the common knowledge that you need an education.

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well it's been said that the education system brainwashes people. those kids are just starting early.

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Know what else your tax dollars are being used for? A war in Iraq that so far has cost 4,000 American and 100,000 Iraqi lives. But don't start a thread about that. There are rogue teachers out there "indoctrinating" preteens, what evil.


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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
Know what else your tax dollars are being used for? A war in Iraq that so far has cost 4,000 American and 100,000 Iraqi lives. But don't start a thread about that. There are rogue teachers out there "indoctrinating" preteens, what evil.


Last time I checked we had a volunteer military.
And almost all of the spending in Iraq and Afghanistan has come from bills produced by a Democratically controlled congress.

At least hopey McChange is going to end those wars and save all those lives and billions of dollars.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/06/24/ ... 245893250/
oh....well at least he's going to save more lives from being "wasted"
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/26/ ... index.html

oh...well never mind I guess.

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