See I feel the same way he got the much better deal than Calgary. I'm looking at Long term because Toronto isn't going anywhere this year or next but they now have 3 very tough defenseman and upgraded goalie position. Now if Burke trades Kaberle for some young offensive talent. Look out. Flames should have never made that deal. Phaneuf could have gotten better talent than a punch of mediocre players.

Exactly my thoughts they also upgraded Gustavson b/c Giguere is a proven mentor look at the other Jonas (Hiller) now! Seriously someone like Phaneuf was destinated to bring them Kovalchuk. This deal equals Gomez to the frogs.

Ok JS wanted out but helll Ducks got screwed with that deal. Toskala is NOT a solid backup why not develop some young goaltender behind Hiller?

Whatever once the Laffs are starting to load up offense the could become very serious in ~ 2 years.

Now we gonna hear als the crap about "how great of a GM this pussy" is god I hate Burke...

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it's obvious Bettman and Campbell are Pens cocksuckers

It has been known that Phaneuf was available for a while now. If this was the best deal Sutter could get for Dion, then it tells us that Phaneuf's value around the league is not what we might have thought it was.

The guy can be a beast, no doubt - but there's something about him that has kept him from being as good as his skill set should allow for.

A change of scenery may allow for him to take his game up a notch - or he may continue to play below his true ability.

Not a slam dunk here; though I think he's too talented to not put himself in The Norris Trophy race each year.

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-Bowler, imitating Freddy Blassie, at the very first M & G.

so the leafs get a better goalie, rid of potential losses with UFA's and get tougher on D. Fuck
yea i'd say burke is looking to make a play for offense, maybe a playmaker for kessel as he got rid of stajan. unless Hanson can step in or he plans to recall kadri.

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hopefully the rest of the GM's are wise enough to want to piss burke off.

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Sad part is this motherfucking pussy has now one of my favorite D-man, a sc proven goalie AND an upcoming elite goaltender with Gus.

God I hope the other GM's refuse to do deals with this fucker or piss him off like hell. Take a look at the flames board some are calling for Sutter's head *lol*

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Sloppy seconds = 6 games "clean" headhunting = nothing
it's obvious Bettman and Campbell are Pens cocksuckers

If I were a GM I wouldn't trade with Burke at all unless I'm getting the better of the deal. He got the better of the deal with the flames. He got a stud defenseman in Phaenuf and a 6'6" Defensive prospect who was paired with Myers in the world juniors last year and a decent penalty killing forward. For what 4 mediocre players and 2 of them are unrestricted at the end of the season. I don't see why GM's still continue to trade with this guy. He seems like he's always getting the better of the deal in the long run. He's done it with Vancouver and in Anaheim.

I'm not all that impressed with this trade from either GM's perspective. Toronto gave up four of their top eight point producers today, and replaced them with a top d-man, a 4th line winger, a back-up goalie, and a decent d-man prospect. Kaberle is sure to go, so that would be five out of eight of the top point producers, including their pts leader. I wouldn't expect Kaberle to bring in any more than one top player plus picks/prospects, or two decent players. I fail to see how Toronto got very much better today, or in 2-3 years.

For Calgary they got rid of a very good player that obviously had chemistry/attitude issues with the team/front office. He wasn't going to work there anymore so at least Sutter got some ok players. Stajan, Hagman, and White will fill some holes instantly, and add some offense to a team that needs secondary scoring.

Anaheim just wanted to dump Giguere's salary, and got some veteran talent in Blake. There's not much significance for either team in this deal. Until Giguere steps up as a top 10-15 starter, all the mentoring in the world won't mean jack. Gustavsson has to play up to his talent level, and Giguere (or any other goalie) won't make that happen with hints and tips.

Anybody who thinks that Toronto made out on this deal is either watching Phaneuf from 3 years ago, or is just seeing something I'm not.

What they picked up was, 6.5M worth of defensive man, that quite frankly has turned into Wade Redden (scores points, but no longer physical) a 6M back up goalie, to mentor a guy who is 26 years old, and has more holes than an overpopulated whore house, and some 6'6" 4th round pick, who many experts say is a crap shoot at best.

An awful lot of gambling in a "hockey city" like Toronto, where the fans want wins, and want them now.

Oh yeah, not to mention you trade away, Ian White, one of the best young offensive defensive men in the game, Jason Blake, a strong player eveytime he's on the ice. Matt Stajan, your best player night in and night out. Nick Hagman, another 40-50 point per year guy. Jamal Mayers, your only true veteran grit player.

Brian Burke didn't come out ahead on this deal. He got 1 decent player, and a hand full of crap shoots.

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Squanto 7/27/2010

If Phaneuf plays like he used to, the Leafs got a great D-man and that's about it.

Lost too much to get him, because Kessel is about the only one who can score on the Leafs now. Stajan and Hagman both had over 15 goals, why trade them away, especially when you have nothing to replace them with?

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Well lets say Phaneuf to Sabres:

I bet most us would have said Roy + X for Phaneuf and now the Laffs land him for a bunch of ok players. White isn't quite as good as you think just look at his production this year.

as for Gustavsson
new city + big big media attention night in/night out, mother passed away he has absolutely no one there despite his loved girlfriend. Life hasn't been good to this guy so I wish him all the luck in the world. I know he's a Laff but seriously he deserves some luck in his life. JS can teach him a lot and believe he'll learn and develop into Lundqvist #2.

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Sloppy seconds = 6 games "clean" headhunting = nothing
it's obvious Bettman and Campbell are Pens cocksuckers

Gust will be a great goalie, hes still young and Giguere who won a cup can mentor him lots.

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You might not be impressed by the trade but Sutter got hosed in this deal. I understand that Phaneuf might have some issue's but Sutter made this deal to quickly and he gave up a 6'6" defensive prospect, a mediocre player in Sjostrom and Phaneuf for 4 mediocre players. Wow and now he can deal Kaberle for some more offensive help. Burke trades away an overpaid Blake and a back up goalie in Toskala for an upgrade in goal with J.S. Giguere. I really don't care about the Anaheim deal but the Phaneuf deal is a great deal for Toronto that should have never happened. I hate the Leafs just as much as I hate Boston and Ottawa but I don't understand why teams tend to trade with Burke unless they are getting the better of the deal. And this deal is too good for Toronto. Sutter is an idiot. If you need offensive help why would you trade a potential #1 defenseman for 4 mediocre players? How stupid could you be.

I can't believe what kind of deal they got for Phaneuf if I was Burke I would pull the trigger on that deal all the time. Sutter is such a bonehead. If they need some offensive help then why not trade Phaneuf for a stud offensive player? Lots of teams looking for a stud defenseman.

I disagree the Leafs gave up 4 mediocre players and 2 of them are unrestricted at the end of the year so they really didn't give up much to get him. Makes sense for the Leafs because you are rebuilding for the future and now they have Phaneuf and Kessel to build around. Burke is a very good GM and Toronto will be a very good team in the next year or two. He will make the moves that Darcy won't and I hate to say it because I hate the Leafs, Boston and Ottawa but Burke makes the moves that will make your team better. He's done it in Vancouver and he's done it in Anaheim. Darcy needs to make a deal for a top tier 1st or 2nd liner who can help the offense that the Sabres desperately needs. They are counting too much on Miller and Buffalo can just hope that Miller is worn out after the Olympic break.

You can't, with a straight face, call Sjostrom a "mediocre player" (which he is - 5 pts on the season), and then also call Stajan - 41 pts, Hagman - 33 pts, and White - 26 pts "mediocre players". They are not great players, but that is three decent players and a mediocre one (Mayers) for a top two d-man, a mediocre player, and a prospect.

Sutter didn't do too badly for the problem Phanuef gave him.

Sutter got hosed on this deal and Flames fan's aren't too happy about it! Phanuef is an elite defenseman in this league and what the Flames got is some mediocre role players. Yes Hagman can score some goals but all of those guys the flames received don't really scare other teams.

Ok then, scoring depth is useless I guess. Whatever.

you cant build around hagman and stajan. you can build around neon dion. dion is young enough to have a bad season, and its very very possible, no, probable, that the change of scenery is all he needed.

hagman and stajan are secondary players. they are good to have if you have the pieces in place, they could help calgary go very deep come april and may. dont forget about bertuzzi, who went to vancouver under burke, and turned into a beast after being thrown out of long island. its very likely toronto is exactly what dion needed, and dion is exactly what toronto needed. not to mention, this trade could also help schenn blossom.

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so since sutter is clearly on some sort of crack, we should make a play for moss and igilna. I can easily say stajan is a mediocre player because he hasn't lived up to any of the hype, only difference is he is not over paid like pominville(who needs to score 30 goals a year to justify that contract extension he got), stajan was on the leafs though.

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