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BlueandYellow
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:58 pm 
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Just because Mayers is being ill-utilzed in Toronto, doesn't mean he's a goon - Unless you consider all 3rd-liners goons, by virtue of the fact that they're not "elite".

He's a right-handed player who has playoff experience, with the Blues - He's a heart and soul guy, in the mold of Mike Grier. He's a very tough player who stands up for his own, and a team-leader with a very sound work-ethic.

I put him in the same type of grouping as Nigel Dawes, Dominic Moore, Chris Drury, Dustin Byfuglien, Jason Blake, Milan Lucic...

I mean to say: He's a Hockey player's Hockey player. Great fundamentals, nothing fancy and a very hard worker. Leads by example.

Personally, I always make suggestions that would steer the Sabres' roster toward a Calgary-type paradigm. Well-rounded players, with a great degree of accountability; a tough, lunch-pail type of team. Top to bottom.

Team concept - No danglers.


He leads the team in PIMS, he has only 1 assist, minus 4, and obviously he doesn't work hard because if you lead the team in PIMS it either means your a goon or a freaking lazy bastard.

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He leads the team in PIMS, he has only 1 assist, minus 4, and obviously he doesn't work hard because if you lead the team in PIMS it either means your a goon or a freaking lazy bastard.


...or, you get sent out there, by your coach, to cause shit. And typically sit, otherwise.

If you watched him, on the St. Louis Blues, you would know otherwise. He wasn't a goal-scorer, but he got his share - Even had a 15-goal season...

And, leading the team in PIM's means no such thing...


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He leads the team in PIMS, he has only 1 assist, minus 4, and obviously he doesn't work hard because if you lead the team in PIMS it either means your a goon or a freaking lazy bastard.


...or, you get sent out there, by your coach, to cause shit. And typically sit, otherwise.

If you watched him, on the St. Louis Blues, you would know otherwise. He wasn't a goal-scorer, but he got his share - Even had a 15-goal season...

And, leading the team in PIM's means no such thing...


It means you take a lot of penalty minutes. Taking penalties either A: means someone dived or faked it, which usually doesn't happens, B: Your lazy and you hook, trip, or slash the guy or C: You fight a lot AKA goon.

And if you get sent out on the ice to start stuff and cause stuff, you are a goon. A lap dog. Which if the coach does that he can be fined.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
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He leads the team in PIMS, he has only 1 assist, minus 4, and obviously he doesn't work hard because if you lead the team in PIMS it either means your a goon or a freaking lazy bastard.


...or, you get sent out there, by your coach, to cause shit. And typically sit, otherwise.

If you watched him, on the St. Louis Blues, you would know otherwise. He wasn't a goal-scorer, but he got his share - Even had a 15-goal season...

And, leading the team in PIM's means no such thing...


It means you take a lot of penalty minutes. Taking penalties either A: means someone dived or faked it, which usually doesn't happens, B: Your lazy and you hook, trip, or slash the guy or C: You fight a lot AKA goon.

And if you get sent out on the ice to start stuff and cause stuff, you are a goon. A lap dog. Which if the coach does that he can be fined.


You just like to fucking argue, don't you?

Patty Kaleta 54 min PIM - So he's a fucking goon?

Here's a list of "goons":

Alex Ovechkin 46
Eric Boulton 46
Rick Rypien 46
Sean Avery 46
Jamal Mayers 45
Bryan Allen 45
Jay McKee 44
David Backes 44
Paul Mara 44
Shane Hnidy 43
Craig Rivet 43
Matt Walker 43
Chris Pronger 43
Martin Hanzal 43
Adam Foote 42
Alexandre Burrows 42
Steve Ott 42

Jamal Mayers 45 min PIM... He must be a goon. Right? And, for your enlightenment, Colton Orr leads the Leafs, with 75 min PIM

The overall number means nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nada. And as for your lap-dog argument...WTF? If the coach wants to spark the team and tells you to go out and pick a fight - You go out and pick a fight. Or if your goalie gets run, you turn around and smack the fucker that ran him.

Team? Ever hear of that word?

Have you ever even played Hockey? Where do you get off making such bullshit judgments? STFU.


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i love jamal mayers.

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Mayers is an okay player, but he's 35, on the down slope of his career and doesn't add much more than a player like Adam Mair who already struggles to crack this roster when all our players are healthy.

I think if you're really looking to add size, and a responsible back checking forward, you contact PHX and see if they want to trade for some youth, something like a Mair, Weber, 3rd round pick for Vrbata...or offer Edmonton a 2nd round pick for Ethan Moreau.

Heck even Tampa might be willing to take on a Hecht and a 2nd round pick to aquire Malone. Considering that marriage hasn't worked out, but Malone is still a great 3rd to 2nd line tough player, who adds some physicality to his game. I don't think this team needs to get any older, but a little extra depth, especially on the RW would be nice.

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you say no to mayers saying hes old, 35, but then suggest ethan moreau, who is 34... huh? mayers would come a hell of a lot cheaper then a second, for one more year.

isnt malone hella expensive too?

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Frankly - I'm not advocating we pick up Mayers, per se.

What I AM saying is: we don't need a Fabian Brunnstrom. We need someone else in the mold of Mayers, Byfuglien, et al.

I mean, haven't we learned our lesson yet, with "bargain basement" danglers? We need someone who shows up every friggin night, is looking to work hard for their paycheck, and is a team-first player.

Not another "highlight reel" monkey, who pouts and sulks and slumps, when "life happens".


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Jay, Malone is second on the team in goal scoring. He isn't going anywhere.

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icehound wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
icehound wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
He leads the team in PIMS, he has only 1 assist, minus 4, and obviously he doesn't work hard because if you lead the team in PIMS it either means your a goon or a freaking lazy bastard.


...or, you get sent out there, by your coach, to cause shit. And typically sit, otherwise.

If you watched him, on the St. Louis Blues, you would know otherwise. He wasn't a goal-scorer, but he got his share - Even had a 15-goal season...

And, leading the team in PIM's means no such thing...


It means you take a lot of penalty minutes. Taking penalties either A: means someone dived or faked it, which usually doesn't happens, B: Your lazy and you hook, trip, or slash the guy or C: You fight a lot AKA goon.

And if you get sent out on the ice to start stuff and cause stuff, you are a goon. A lap dog. Which if the coach does that he can be fined.


You just like to fucking argue, don't you?

Patty Kaleta 54 min PIM - So he's a fucking goon?

Here's a list of "goons":

Alex Ovechkin 46
Eric Boulton 46
Rick Rypien 46
Sean Avery 46
Jamal Mayers 45
Bryan Allen 45
Jay McKee 44
David Backes 44
Paul Mara 44
Shane Hnidy 43
Craig Rivet 43
Matt Walker 43
Chris Pronger 43
Martin Hanzal 43
Adam Foote 42
Alexandre Burrows 42
Steve Ott 42

Jamal Mayers 45 min PIM... He must be a goon. Right? And, for your enlightenment, Colton Orr leads the Leafs, with 75 min PIM

The overall number means nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nada. And as for your lap-dog argument...WTF? If the coach wants to spark the team and tells you to go out and pick a fight - You go out and pick a fight. Or if your goalie gets run, you turn around and smack the fucker that ran him.

Team? Ever hear of that word?

Have you ever even played Hockey? Where do you get off making such bullshit judgments? STFU.


I'm going to stop here, as your being a fucking shithead about it. You love to act tough over a message board? Because you wouldn't in my face. Learn how to argue like a human.
Yes, I have played hockey before. Millions of times. I have been a goalie and a forward. I know the game. MAYERS IS A GOON.

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Jason Blake is a cancer.

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Kevin wrote:
Jason Blake is a cancer.

I shouldn't have laughed, but I did.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
I'm going to stop here, as your being a fucking shithead about it. You love to act tough over a message board? Because you wouldn't in my face. Learn how to argue like a human.
Yes, I have played hockey before. Millions of times. I have been a goalie and a forward. I know the game. MAYERS IS A GOON.


Yay, for you.

You're obviously unintelligent and you still don't understand the game. And you're a rude and obnoxious infant.

Get lost, and don't come back. No love lost here. And you wouldn't know "tough" if it bit you in your fat ass. I've tried to argue reasonably with you, and YOU call me a shithead. Who's the tough guy??

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Kevin wrote:
Jason Blake is a cancer.


BTW...that's not funny, and quite cruel and tasteless.


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icehound wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
I'm going to stop here, as your being a fucking shithead about it. You love to act tough over a message board? Because you wouldn't in my face. Learn how to argue like a human.
Yes, I have played hockey before. Millions of times. I have been a goalie and a forward. I know the game. MAYERS IS A GOON.


Yay, for you.

You're obviously unintelligent and you still don't understand the game. And you're a rude and obnoxious infant.

Get lost, and don't come back. No love lost here. And you wouldn't know "tough" if it bit you in your fat ass. I've tried to argue reasonably with you, and YOU call me a shithead. Who's the tough guy??

Buffoon.


I'm done after this statement.
You told me to stfu. What goes around comes around. Arguing reasonably doesn't involve saying "Where do you get off making such bullshit comments stfu..."...

Oh. I pretty much have a life REVOLVING around hockey. Everyone in my family loves and understands the game, I watch a game when EVER a hockey game, any league, is on. I play hockey every week. I hate going online and trying to chat about hockey, and whenever I argue someone SHITS there pants and spazzes the fuck out and makes me want to punch a baby seal in the mouth. Then they say they didn't argue like a fuckface and say it's my fault. Off my jock please. Moderator. Thank you.

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Jay, Malone is second on the team in goal scoring. He isn't going anywhere.

Ya, apparently he hasn't been following Malone lately. He's paying off in spades now. Thinking they'd take Hecht to "get rid of " Malone is absurd, even if ya gave 'em head too.


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daz28 wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
Jay, Malone is second on the team in goal scoring. He isn't going anywhere.

Ya, apparently he hasn't been following Malone lately. He's paying off in spades now. Thinking they'd take Hecht to "get rid of " Malone is absurd, even if ya gave 'em head too.


Making Salary is an issue in Tampa, that saves them 1M a year by taking on Hecht, trust me, I follow the NHL. The financial side, the business side, and the Players side.

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im pretty sure a different team could put together a better package then that for malone if they were shopping him.

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icehound wrote:
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Jason Blake is a cancer.


BTW...that's not funny, and quite cruel and tasteless.


Why? It's not like he had real cancer. He was a piece of shit before he had cancer and he's still a piece of shit.

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Why? It's not like he had real cancer. He was a piece of shit before he had cancer and he's still a piece of shit.


Really? You're going to go there?

Cancer is cancer. There's no such thing as 'real cancer' or 'fake cancer'. Until you've watched a loved one wither and be within an inch of death from the treatments for these 'non-real' cancers, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

You wanna bag on Blake because you like the guy? Cool. I'm not a fan of his either. But under NO circumstances am I going to let you play internet tough guy about fucking cancer.

Take the weekend and try not to be such a douchenozzle.


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