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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:16 pm 
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Do you guys think Daniel is jealous

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:00 pm 
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Probably.

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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 4:44 pm 
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He'll have to come in next year and win the heart. Sibling rivalry will motivate him.

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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 10:21 pm 
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Why is Oveckin nominated every year??? The guy is a horrible leader. If i had a vote I vote Crosby but I have a feeling its going to be the Sedin

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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 11:07 pm 
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But the Hart isn't about Leadership qualities, it's suppose to be who was the "Most Valuable to his team."

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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mechaphil
PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 12:22 am 
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Yea, except no one has won it for that reason in...well, not in my lifetime, I don't think. They need to either redefine the award or hand it out based on it's exact definition.

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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 12:23 am 
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mechaphil wrote:
Yea, except no one has won it for that reason in...well, not in my lifetime, I don't think. They need to either redefine the award or hand it out based on it's exact definition.

The Hart should simply just be MVP of the league, and the Pearson should either not exist or still be given out since the awards are judged differently.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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patkane88
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
But the Hart isn't about Leadership qualities, it's suppose to be who was the "Most Valuable to his team."


And I think we know OV is most valuable to his team as is Crosby. I want to see guys like Recchi and Jeff Carter be nominated.

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patkane88 wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
But the Hart isn't about Leadership qualities, it's suppose to be who was the "Most Valuable to his team."


And I think we know OV is most valuable to his team as is Crosby. I want to see guys like Recchi and Jeff Carter be nominated.

My biggest gripe is when OV didn't play, the Capitals still won games and easily scored. That team is good without OV also, it's not his first three years where if he didn't score they would lose.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
patkane88 wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
But the Hart isn't about Leadership qualities, it's suppose to be who was the "Most Valuable to his team."


And I think we know OV is most valuable to his team as is Crosby. I want to see guys like Recchi and Jeff Carter be nominated.

My biggest gripe is when OV didn't play, the Capitals still won games and easily scored. That team is good without OV also, it's not his first three years where if he didn't score they would lose.

They actually accumulated a higher percentage of points with him out than with him in.

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Peter Karmanos for the Hart.

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Almost seemed like they had this sense of desperation like, "OH NOZ!!! Ovi ain't playing! We need to score more puckz!?!"

I seriously cannot STAND the hype behind this guy. If it ever came down to picking a player for my team and it was Crysby or Ovechkin, I'd take Crysby hands down. And that is saying a lot since I can't stand that fucker or his lips. Don't even get me started on how much I hate that the bitch is from my province...

The Habs exposed Ovechkin, that limp dick bastard and his ways of playing with solid containment. And where is he now? Yeah, that's right.

I never thought I would cheer a Canadiens win ever before in my life. Until I seen game 7 and that prick was on his way to pack his bags. Now, if the Habs can do the same to the Pens, then this post season will not be all for lost. I wanna see Cindy cry! Oh, and the Sharks to beat the Deadwings as well.

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It's wasn't a matter of containing just OV, as plenty of teams have done in the past. But with OV he'll score or get points even if he is double teamed and contained.

Washington still shot 41.7 shots a game at them, and Halak turned away most of those shots.

Washington was a team who couldn't score, Semin was worthless, OV wasn't worthless in that series, except the last 3 games he was pretty worthless, but the team wasn't built for defense, and you need three things to win in the playoffs in the NHL.

Offense, Defense, and good enough goaltending.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

Rud wrote:
As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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LOL Washington had worthless semin.

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Van_Da_Man wrote:
LOL Washington had worthless semin.


Pretty obvious, but that mofo was shootin blanks!

Ba-dum-tsssssssst :lol:

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AudSabres wrote:
Van_Da_Man wrote:
LOL Washington had worthless semin.


Pretty obvious, but that mofo was shootin blanks!

Ba-dum-tsssssssst :lol:

Shot wide of the net.

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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 5:22 pm 
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THN.com Blog: Ryan Miller's Hart Trophy omission has foul odor

Buffalo goalie Ryan Miller led the NHL in both goals- against average (2.22) and save percent (.929) among goals with 25 or more wins. (Photo by Bill Wippert/NHLI via

Jason Kay
2010-05-01 09:52:00

It was predictable, but somehow that didn’t lessen my befuddlement when the NHL news release materialized in my inbox on Thursday. The subject line read:
“Crosby, Ovechkin and Sedin Named Hart Trophy Finalists”

Uh, guys, didn’t you miss someone? You know, that goalie in the Northeast Division whose team may have competed for Taylor or Tyler, not the Stanley Cup, if not for his disproportionate contributions?

It’s not that Sid, Alex and Henrik didn’t have terrific seasons. It’s just their value to their teams’ success, while hefty, still lagged behind what Ryan Miller did for the

Buffalo Sabres in 2009-10.
First, chew on the hard evidence.

The Buffalo Sabres went 41-18-8 in games Miller played, meaning they got 67 percent of the points available when he was between the pipes. In games he wasn’t the goalie of record, they went 4-9-2, earning just 36 percent of the points possible. The difference is staggering.

No other successful team this season experienced a drop off from the No. 1 to No. 2 goalie anywhere near as dramatic as the Sabres did. In Buffalo, it was Miller or bust.
By comparison, the Washington Capitals did just fine without Ovie in the lineup, posting a .750 points percentage in the 10 games he was hurt or suspended compared to .736 when he was there. Additionally, he registered points on 35 percent of Washington’s goals, which is good, but not MVP calibre.

Crosby only missed one contest and Sedin none, so we can’t draw a direct parallel to Miller in terms of record with and without. They collected points on 44 percent (Crosby) and 42 percent (Sedin) of their teams’ goals, far eclipsing Ovechkin, but still not in league with what Miller meant to the Sabres.

Want more data? Miller earned a first, second or third star selection in 45 percent of the games in which he played. The comparative numbers:
Miller: 45% Ovechkin: 42% Crosby: 40% Sedin: 28%

We acknowledge game stars are subjective, but over the course of a season, they provide a decent barometer of how much a player means to his team’s success, night in, night out.

And this is the point that often gets lost on some Hart Trophy voters. The award is meant to go to the player adjudged most valuable to his team, not necessarily the guy who collected the most points. Some years that’s justifiably one in the same, but the trend to default to the Art Ross champ or runner-up is irksome.
Prior to this season, the past six Hart winners either finished first or second in league scoring. The runner-up either won the Art Ross or was second on four of those occasions. That pattern will continue this year as Sedin topped the tables with 112 points, while Crosby and Ovechkin tied at 109.

The voting pattern reeks of expedience. And this year it smells particularly ripe as a worthy candidate is not getting his due.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/3 ... -odor.html

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I applaud that guy, he is completely and honestly right about it.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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