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Squanto
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:05 pm 
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I'm not anti-union generally, but I do find it horseshit that someone can pay into the pension system for only 5 years of a 35 year career, yet still draw their full pension when they retire. (Inflated by unused sick time at the same time.)

If these unions made their new entries into the pension plan pay for 10 years instead of 5, they'd solve 99% of their own problems.


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Crosscheck
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Not a teacher union but a public employee union:
http://www.laweekly.com/2010-08-19/news ... anklin-jr/

My taxes will be going to pay the pension of a serial killer until the day he dies.
Did I mention he only worked for 9 years of his life? As a garbage man...then went on disability.

There's nothing anyone can do about it.
$1,600 a month to a convicted serial killer.

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Squanto
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Trust me, I know.

Up here, it's standard practice to inflate your last couple years of salaries in any way possible to increase that pension check. Teachers will coach extra sports for a couple years and cash in unused sick time. The BPD has a standing practice that officers closer to retirement have first dibs on any and all overtime assignments. One officer recently pulled so much that he almost doubled the last 3 years of his salary, and most of that OT was spend sitting around at Sabres and Bisons games.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:02 pm 
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I'm kicking myself for being a stand up guy. I could have gotten tons of disability from the Air Force if I would have just complained a bit about some lingering pains an what not. Nothing I hurt happened at work except for a chipped tooth from an M-1 (honor guard) so I just kind of kept my mouth shut, but I know tons of people who go to the doc for every little pain or cough then file for anything remotely related when they seperate from service. Teachers are just like everyone else, tryin' ta get payd ya'll!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:14 pm 
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Crosscheck wrote:
I don't consider myself rich.
I can't afford to send my daughter to a full time private school.
But I could afford it with vouchers.

But this is what has become of our public school systems, the lowest common denominator for all.
Everyone is equally screwed instead of some getting a better shot.

Otherwise it's unfair right?

Pfft I say. We deserve what we accept.


This is very close to what I was trying to say earlier. I just went back and reread what I had put, and XC put it much better than I did.

It's a simple case of the rich getting richer, and having far more advantages for the sole purpose that that child was fortunate enough to be born into that situation, where someone who is potentially more talented, is forced into a lesser educational system, and isn't able to break free from that economic separation.

I agree that we have become far too passive when it comes to educational cuts, and settling for less when it comes to educating children. We however are a money now society, so saving that extra 75-150 bucks a year in school taxes is way better than improving our current public school programs...sad isn't it? I know people who spend 75-150 bucks a month on Starbucks, but wont invest that kind of money into public education...

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Tvan
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It's a failure for many of the above reasons. Here is something that was passed around via email at work a few years ago, I thought it was funny so I'll share.

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My dentist is great! He sends me reminders so I don't forget checkups. He uses the latest techniques based on research. He never hurts me, and I've got all my teeth, so when I ran into him the other day, I was eager to see if he'd heard about the new state program. I knew he'd think it was great.
Did you hear about the new state program to measure effectiveness of dentists with their young patients?" I said.
No," he said. He didn't seem too thrilled. "How will they do that?"
It's quite simple," I said. "They will just count the number of cavities each patient has at age 10, 14, and 18 and average that to determine a dentist's rating. Dentists will be rated as Excellent, Good, Average, Below average, and Unsatisfactory. That way parents will know which are the best dentists. It will also encourage the less effective dentists to get better. Poor dentists who don't improve could lose their licenses to practice."
"That's terrible," he said.
"What? That's not a good attitude," I said. "Don't you think we should try to improve children's dental health in this state?" "Sure I do," he said, "but that's not a fair way to determine who is practicing good dentistry." "Why not?" I said. "It makes perfect sense to me." "Well, it's so obvious," he said. "Don't you see that dentists don't all work with the same clientele; so much depends on things we can't control. For example, I work in a rural area with a high percentage of patients from deprived homes, while some of my colleagues work in upper middle class neighborhoods. Many of the parents I work with don't bring their children to see me until there is some kind of problem; I don't get to do much preventive work."
"Also," he said, "many of the parents I serve let their kids eat way too much candy from an early age, unlike more educated parents who understand the relationship between sugar and decay. To top it all off," he added, "so many of my clients have well water which is untreated and has no fluoride in it. Do you have any idea how much difference early use of fluoride can make?"
"It sounds like you're making excuses," I said. I couldn't believe my dentist would be so defensive. He does a great job.
"I am not!" he said. "My best patients are as good as anyone's, my work is as good as anyone's, but my average cavity count is going to be higher than a lot of other dentists because I chose to work where I am needed most."
"Don't' get touchy," I said.
"Touchy?" he said. His face had turned red and from the way he was clenching and unclenching his jaws, I was afraid he was going to damage his teeth. "Try furious. In a system like this, I will end up being rated average, below average, or worse. My more educated patients who see these ratings may believe this so-called rating actually is a measure of my ability and proficiency as a dentist. They may leave me, and I'll be left with only the most needy patients. And my cavity average score will get even worse. On top of that, how will I attract good dental hygienists and other excellent dentists to my practice if it is labeled below average?"
"I think you are overreacting," I said. "'Complaining, excuse making and stonewalling won't improve dental health'...I am quoting from a leading member of the DOC," I noted.
"What's the DOC?" he asked.
"It's the Dental Oversight Committee," I said, "a group made up of mostly lay persons to make sure dentistry in this state gets improved."
"Spare me," he said, "I can't believe this. Reasonable people won't buy it," he said hopefully.
The program sounded reasonable to me, so I asked, "How else would you measure good dentistry?"
"Come watch me work," he said. "Observe my processes."
"That's too complicated and time consuming," I said. "Cavities are the bottom line, and you can't argue with the bottom line. It's an absolute measure."
"That's what I'm afraid my parents and prospective patients will think. This can't be happening," he said
despairingly.
"Now, now," I said, "don't despair. The state will help you some."
"How?" he said.
"If you're rated poorly, they'll send a dentist who is rated excellent to help straighten you out," I said
brightly.
"You mean," he said, "they'll send a dentist with a wealthy clientele to show me how to work on severe juvenile dental problems with which I have probably had much more experience? Big help."
"There you go again," I said. "You aren't acting professionally at all."
"You don't get it," he said. "Doing this would be like grading schools and teachers on an average score on a test of children's progress without regard to influences outside the school, the home, the community served and stuff like that. Why would they do something so unfair to dentists? No one would ever think of doing that to schools."
I just shook my head sadly, but he had brightened. "I'm going to write my representatives and senator," he said. "I'll use the school analogy- surely they will see the point."




FYI...We were talking about Thanksgiving in the Study Skills class that I teach and one of my kids said he doesn't get to see his dad because a few years ago, his dad stabbed him...STABBED HIM. This is what I teach. He's a nice kid, but really? Who's gonna think about getting that poster for science class done when you have to deal with shit like that on a daily basis. NCLB doesn't take that crapn into account and the kids and the teachers suffer for it.

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YodaMage
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Spend 80% of the budget on the bottom 20% of the students. Genius!!

NCLB = The smart and gifted students being left behind. Ironic.


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PatGreen
PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:40 pm 
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Squanto wrote:
I've also heard (though friend rants) that the standardized test requirements also do more harm than good, since poor teachers start teaching kids to pass the test rather than actually learn anything.

not poor teachers, most teachers. so much is crammed into a semester that teachers are forced to teach to the test and sacrifice labs and hands on activities.


on another note, i read a study that compared students at public schools to those at charter schools and a lot of times there was no difference. education really comes down to how the kids are raised and how parents enforce studying and homework.


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