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Displaced Fan
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The leak of the diplomatic cables are pointless (or as one of my friends put it "porn") and show him to be a douche solely bent on harming the image of the US, not ending wars.


I don't think they are pointless if they reveal shit like this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/15/wikileaks-bp-azerbaijan-gulf-spill

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sabretoothpick wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:

The leak of the diplomatic cables are pointless (or as one of my friends put it "porn") and show him to be a douche solely bent on harming the image of the US, not ending wars.


I don't think they are pointless if they reveal shit like this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/15/wikileaks-bp-azerbaijan-gulf-spill

All that reveals is that we thought they were "fortunate" to have escaped unharmed.

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Striking resemblances between BP's Gulf of Mexico disaster and a little-reported giant gas leak in Azerbaijan experienced by the UK firm 18 months beforehand have emerged from leaked US embassy cables.


It wasn't a secret...it was reported in the news...no one gave a shit.
The cables are all inside-baseball tidbits from global diplomats...there's no real news contained in them.

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Some of the stuff like us making a deal where someone else took responsibility for our missle strikes that killed civilians and so on are huge issues. Personally I liked it better when I thought we were the "good" guys but this kind of airing may be good.

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Some of the stuff like us making a deal where someone else took responsibility for our missle strikes that killed civilians and so on are huge issues. Personally I liked it better when I thought we were the "good" guys but this kind of airing may be good.


I am sorry, but when "you" were the "good" guys?

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Yhoshi wrote:
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Some of the stuff like us making a deal where someone else took responsibility for our missle strikes that killed civilians and so on are huge issues. Personally I liked it better when I thought we were the "good" guys but this kind of airing may be good.


I am sorry, but when "you" were the "good" guys?


No offense, but you'd be in South Eastern Germany right now if we weren't the "good" guys at some point. What I'm saying is that when we convince a country to take responsibility for our murders so we don't look bad....well shit. I think it's a good thing to know that this kind of shifty, evil shit is going on.

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Take it easy, Ed. I'm not saying the victim should be dragged into the media.

I'm saying it's unusual that we haven't heard a single thing about her. It's part of high profile cases. Is it right? No. But it happens.

I've heard quotes from both alleged victims on NPR and I believe at least one of them has sone an extensive interview...it's out there.
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She's not a rape victim until the court of law says so.

I'm not trying to pick on you but that's another fucked up statement right there.


Conversely, it's fucked up to have the whole world view you as a rapist when you're not actually a rapist.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
Conversely, it's fucked up to have the whole world view you as a rapist when you're not actually a rapist.

Maybe, but that's the least of his worries.
He's brought this on his own head.

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Hey, you asked when we were the good guys like a smart ass and I answered. You wanna ask a question like that to a vet then don't be surprised when you get a strong answer back.

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Hey, you asked when we were the good guys like a smart ass and I answered. You wanna ask a question like that to a vet then don't be surprised when you get a strong answer back.


:roll: who is the smart ass? :lol:

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Yhoshi wrote:
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Hey, you asked when we were the good guys like a smart ass and I answered. You wanna ask a question like that to a vet then don't be surprised when you get a strong answer back.


:roll: who is the smart ass? :lol:


Really? When someone from Austria asks me: "I am sorry, but when "you" were the "good" guys?"
I feel it's my right to tell them to fuck off and point out they would be wearing Nazi red and black and goose steppin' if it weren't for American rescue. Don't like it? I couldn't care less.

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Displaced Fan wrote:
Yhoshi wrote:
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Hey, you asked when we were the good guys like a smart ass and I answered. You wanna ask a question like that to a vet then don't be surprised when you get a strong answer back.


:roll: who is the smart ass? :lol:


Really? When someone from Austria asks me: "I am sorry, but when "you" were the "good" guys?"
I feel it's my right to tell them to fuck off and point out they would be wearing Nazi red and black and goose steppin' if it weren't for American rescue. Don't like it? I couldn't care less.


calm down. asking : when you were the good guys. (in the afganisthan,Iraq wae before wikileaks published the documents)

this thread is about wikileaks.


and you writing about ww2. I don't get it.

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The fact that an American may take exception to an Austrian essentially calling the US "bad guys" shouldn't be a surprise.
Let's drop it.

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You asked a general question with no specific "When it comes to the last ten years...", so I answered with no timeframe restrictions. I don't agree with either war. I think we should pull our troops out and demand a fucking apology from Bush Jr. but I also realize that considering the fucked up situation, our troops have done great work in some areas of the Middle East. Having said that, I saw the overall opinion of the US drop from "good with reservations" to "fuck them, let's go protest the shit out of their foriegn bases" overnight when I lived in Germany. Shit like covering up civilian murder by asking a country to take responsibility for it though is way beyond what I thought we were doing in the Middle East. Maybe I'm naive. Makes me sick to my stomach that it's happening, though I prefer to know it rather than be ignorant of it.

Sorry for jumping your shit. Personally I know hundreds of American heroes and I know the good work they have done in the world. When I hear something like "When were you ever the good guys" it really pisses me off. I know the US is a far cry from perfect but we have done a lot of good which can't be tossed aside and forgotten even in the light of the evils done. I took your comment as implying that we have never done a lick of good.

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Displaced Fan wrote:
You asked a general question with no specific "When it comes to the last ten years...", so I answered with no timeframe restrictions. I don't agree with either war. I think we should pull our troops out and demand a fucking apology from Bush Jr. but I also realize that considering the fucked up situation, our troops have done great work in some areas of the Middle East. Having said that, I saw the overall opinion of the US drop from "good with reservations" to "fuck them, let's go protest the shit out of their foriegn bases" overnight when I lived in Germany. Shit like covering up civilian murder by asking a country to take responsibility for it though is way beyond what I thought we were doing in the Middle East. Maybe I'm naive. Makes me sick to my stomach that it's happening, though I prefer to know it rather than be ignorant of it.

Sorry for jumping your shit. Personally I know hundreds of American heroes and I know the good work they have done in the world. When I hear something like "When were you ever the good guys" it really pisses me off. I know the US is a far cry from perfect but we have done a lot of good which can't be tossed aside and forgotten even in the light of the evils done. I took your comment as implying that we have never done a lick of good.


it was an overreaction of you. Let's forget it. I thought we're talking about the wikileaks documents about war in Iraq. misinterpretation of the question. happens

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I don't see an overreaction in Displaced Fan's comments. I see your comment had something with US hate in it.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
I don't see an overreaction in Displaced Fan's comments. I see your comment had something with US hate in it.


US hate? :naughty: . watch out what you are writing. (last comment in this thread)

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