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mechaphil
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:21 am 
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MaxPac feels it was intentional and he's pissed the league played with themselves instead of doing something about it

http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie/?id=357332

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maxpac just wants someone to blame. no one can take accidents for accidents anymore.



at 55 seconds the slow mo from the other side shows that chara wasn't even looking at pac when he pushed him.


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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
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I think Chara knew what he was doing. Seems like a classic instance of playing borderline to rattle a guy's cage and circumstances producing a horrific result.


I really don't think so. It would require a great amount of awareness to realize what part of the player's bench boards your on to realize where the divider is, and that type of check is made all the time. Chara was looking to put him in the bench, and unfortunately, made a bad judgment along the lines of where he was on the play. Just very unfortunate.


I have enough awareness to know where I am. It's not hard when you're skating in that direction and looking directly at the divider. I'd assume that someone with 20+ years of experience and an infinite amount of talent on me has much better awareness.

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if you're making a routine check on someone along the boards, NHL discipline shouldn't run through your head.


What was routine about that? Either Chara thought about the danger he put a helpless player in, or he didn't. Either you like the attention hits like that bring to your sport, or you want to protect the players from themselves. I think we know where the NHL stands on that.


What's routine is playing a guy on the boards, interference or not. Chara (nor any player for that matter) isn't thinking "Oh boy, there's that 1/100 part of the ice that juts out. Better not hit him," [or like you guys are saying "Better end his career."]) No. Chara is playing the boards, no matter which side of the ice he's on. He's not gonna let up. It's not part of his game, nor should it ever have to be. He's never been considered dirty, just physical. He's a great defensman, but I think as Sabres fans, we're all butthurt because it's Chara.

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how this doesn't even get a fine is beyond me.. go on and turnbuckle people after they move the puck up.. smash their faces.. hell smash anything nothing will be done..fuck this league
and its not because its chara.. its because its goddamn bullshit, you know damn well chara knew what he was doing and he could have actually killed the guy right there and yet he walks.. no harm done to him but Max's career/life changed forever.. Fuckin disgusting.

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He did get fined - $300.

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maxpac just wants someone to blame. no one can take accidents for accidents anymore.



at 55 seconds the slow mo from the other side shows that chara wasn't even looking at pac when he pushed him.


as if that somehow means absolutely anything.

So you mean to tell me he was looking at the turnbuckle he was about to crush him into?


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and just for the record I'm of the opinion that only Chara knows what his intentions were. No one will ever know except for him.


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where's the delete button?

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no he was looking down the ice at the puck, which was why he was assessed the interference penalty.


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mechaphil wrote:
MaxPac feels it was intentional and he's pissed the league played with themselves instead of doing something about it

http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie/?id=357332


Good for Paccioretty for speaking out against the league, I agree with him 100%. Chara knew the turnbuckle was near, and I'm sure he had no problem with guiding him into it. 30 game suspension and it never happens again regardless of his or the next guys intentions.

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The thing that bothers me the most is that these two had been going at it of sorts for a couple games before hand. I'm guessing Chara got caught up in the emotion and did attempt to guide him into that turnbuckle but didn't think P would catch it the way he did. I also don't think Chara intended to hurt him, but who knows? Only Chara.


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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
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if you're making a routine check on someone along the boards, NHL discipline shouldn't run through your head.


What was routine about that? Either Chara thought about the danger he put a helpless player in, or he didn't. Either you like the attention hits like that bring to your sport, or you want to protect the players from themselves. I think we know where the NHL stands on that.


What's routine is playing a guy on the boards, interference or not. Chara (nor any player for that matter) isn't thinking "Oh boy, there's that 1/100 part of the ice that juts out. Better not hit him," [or like you guys are saying "Better end his career."]) No. Chara is playing the boards, no matter which side of the ice he's on. He's not gonna let up. It's not part of his game, nor should it ever have to be. He's never been considered dirty, just physical. He's a great defensman, but I think as Sabres fans, we're all butthurt because it's Chara.


I agree. It was a freak accident and he's playing the body. Pacioretty just happened to get the worst of it.


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I have no problem with the lack of suspension. He's NOT Cooke, Avery or some other douchbag who makes his living boarding people for 2 minutes a night. he's been in the league for years and hasn't done anything suspend able (except the last playoff series, I know) The point is he did not do it on purpose, players get tossed onto the bench all the time, if anything I blame that dumbass post for being right there.
Can't we just put a mini divider there and suspend the shit out of people that reach over it? that way people don't get slammed in the face like this.
Chara seems genuinely sorry, and anything that wears on his mind and possibly affects his game is good enough for me. The good thing is that Max isn't paralyzed or dead.


Man couldn't of wrote it better myself.


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Van_Da_Man wrote:
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I have no problem with the lack of suspension. He's NOT Cooke, Avery or some other douchbag who makes his living boarding people for 2 minutes a night.

Ok, so you are ok with double standards?????? That is complete BS. If Cooke, Avery, Kaleta, (insert agitator here) was involved there would be a suspension and a long one at that. The hit may have been a "clean" hit but you could make a case that there was an intent to injure.....just sayin but I'm ok with no suspension


I'm saying that it was obviously not intentional. He didn't jump off his skates to blast some poor guy in the head, Chara doesn't do that. Guys like Cooke and Gilles do crap like this at alarming rates, Chara does not. And no way in hell is there intent to injure. People get rubbed out along the boards all the time, on this one there just happened to be some dumbass pole sitting there. I'm not attacking you, I just don't feel like Chara smashing Max's face into a pole was premeditated.

I don't feel it was premediated at all either. I'm just saying that since ALL hockey players know the partition is there. Chara was just into the play and not paying attention to his surroundings. Hopefully this incident will make him pay a little more attention to his surroundings during the game. Ennis is lucky he didn't get seriously hurt when he slid into the partition also. Scary stuff..... You still can't tell me that if certain individuals did the same exactly play that they deserve a suspension because of their history.

On a side note, I guess the Monteal Police received several phone calls after the NHL decided not suspend Chara..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Shortly after the NHL announced it wouldn’t take further action against Chara, Montreal police were inundated with calls from people seeking to file a criminal complaint against the player. A spokesman said police suspected the calls were inspired by a media outlet that suggested the idea.

The police spokesman described the gesture as “irresponsible”—and urged Montrealers to keep the emergency line free for actual life-and-death matters. “Someone in the media has been telling people to call the police to complain,” Sgt. Ian Lafreniere said. “This shows a serious lack of responsibility.”

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Here's an interesting quote from an NHL player. Those of you who think that players are just mindless reactionary robots who can't be held responsible for their own actions might find this shocking.



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After Penguins winger Matt Cooke gave Bruins center Marc Savard a severe concussion with a blind-side hit to the head last March, the league introduced Rule 48, which mandates a major penalty and game misconduct (or match penalty) for anyone who delivers a "lateral or blind-side hit to an opponent where the head is targeted and/or the principle point of contact."

Penguins winger Pascal Dupuis, who got a concussion when knocked into the boards by a hit from then-New York Islanders defenseman Andy Sutton last season, called Rule 48 "a big step in the right direction," and Rupp was contemplating it as he lined up a hit on Bruins forward Gregory Campbell.

"He was getting a pass in the slot, and I was coming from his opposite side," Rupp said. "My first thought was, 'He doesn't see me. I'm going to get a good hit here.'

"At the last second, I'm like, 'Is that a blind-side?' and I let up. I didn't need to hit him hard, because I just bumped him and he fell and I got the puck."




Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11069/11 ... z1GCYIb9aJ

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And now, bring on the RCMP.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=357361

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"Following numerous requests from news media, we are sending you this message to inform you that the Ministry of Public Security, at the request of the Director of Criminal and penal, asked the Police Department of the City Montreal (CMPS) to conduct an inquiry into the events at a hockey game between Montreal Canadiens and Boston Bruins on March 8," the Montreal police said in a statement issued Thursday. "No further comment will be issued on this subject yet."


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And now, bring on the RCMP.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=357361

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"Following numerous requests from news media, we are sending you this message to inform you that the Ministry of Public Security, at the request of the Director of Criminal and penal, asked the Police Department of the City Montreal (CMPS) to conduct an inquiry into the events at a hockey game between Montreal Canadiens and Boston Bruins on March 8," the Montreal police said in a statement issued Thursday. "No further comment will be issued on this subject yet."




This adds further embarrassment to the game, could you imagine the black eye for the NHL if this actually went to court?! LOL

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X-pensfan wrote:
Here's an interesting quote from an NHL player. Those of you who think that players are just mindless reactionary robots who can't be held responsible for their own actions might find this shocking.


Nobody is saying that players are mindless robots, but when something is left completely out of your control (again, a random partition that happens no where else on the ice, and has never caused anything this serious before) then what can be done about it? Chara's not letting up because based on prior experience, he wouldn't expect something that serious to happen, and neither could I. If someone told me right now that they could have seen that coming, then I'll spit in that person's face because I highly doubt that.

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Here's an example I thought of for the crowd who says "he didn't mean to hurt him, shit happens."
The play Chara made was illegal, it was interference. The injury is a result of an illegal action.
Let's say I'm in a hurry to get to work. I'm coming up to a red light and decide to run it to get to work faster. As I'm driving under said red light, I broadside someone who has the right of way because of their green light. Said accident victim sustains a grade 3 concussion and a fractured vertebrae. Certainly I didn't mean to injure anyone, but I did. Am I not responsible for their injuries?

This is all hypothetical, but think about it. An illegal action the perpetrator knows is illegal results in a critical injury. Sounds like a punishable offense to me.

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