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CriminallyVu1gar
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Alright, you're right. I still think a pursuit of some of the shadier areas of the killings is necessary to make judgment on what the reaction and penalties should be.

Well, we have an Army base full of witnesses that saw this guy shooting people unprovoked.
That's not disputed.

I really don't care what motivates cold blooded killers. Turn off his ventilator, he's wasting electricity.


Well I'm curious about the suspected terrorist link. If those allegations turn out to be fact, I think that more action is warranted than the simple flipping of a switch/injecting of a syringe.

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Nevermind, I just found out I'm weak and what's wrong with America. I need to go address this.

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Nevermind, I just found out I'm weak and what's wrong with America. I need to go address this.

:lol: :lol:

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Nevermind, I just found out I'm weak and what's wrong with America. I need to go address this.

:lol: :lol:


It's not funny! This is serious business!

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He's failed miserably at handling this so far, so I'm not expecting much more.

HIS agenda is more important than dead soldiers, apparently.

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How bad is the condition this guy is in? I know he's been shot four times and was in critical condition. I'm not sure what that means exactly. I want some digging to be done to find out what this guy's potential connections were to Islamic terrorist orginazions before we start talking about flipping the switch.

I don't want to get into the habit of jumping the gun due to his religion and ethnicity, but there are some (as of yet unfounded) allegations about his connections to Islamic terrorists.

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For you guys who want him killed...what do you consider worse, being dismissed from this world quickly and painlessly (well, not sure how the military does it) or rotting in a jail cell for the rest of your life?


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Hasan's connection to anything terrorist related, has nothing to do with the fact the man is guilty of murder under the UCMJ which is automatically Punishable by Death or Life in Prison.

Even if Obama approves An Order of Execution, this guy will sit on Death Row. He'll be in solitary, reading books, eating our food, and wasting our tax dollars.
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Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) ART. 118. MURDER
Any person subject to this chapter whom without justification or excuse, unlawfully kills a human being, when he--
(1) has a premeditated design to kill;
(2) intends to kill or inflict great bodily harm;
(3) is engaged in an act which is inherently dangerous to others and evinces a wanton disregard of human life; or
(4) is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of burglary, sodomy, rape, robbery, or aggravated arson;

is guilty of murder, and shall suffer such punishment as a court-martial may direct, except that if found guilty under clause (1) or (4), he shall suffer death or imprisonment for life as a court-martial may direct.
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Members of the U.S. military have been executed throughout history, but just 10 have been executed with presidential approval since 1951 under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the military's modern-day legal system.

The U.S. military hasn't actively pursued an execution for a military prisoner since President John F. Kennedy commuted a death sentence in 1962. Nine men are on military death row.

Over the years, countless members of the military have been executed, but only 10 have been put to death since presidential approval was required in 1951 under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the military's criminal code.

Eisenhower was the last president to approve a death sentence, for John Bennett, an Army soldier convicted of raping and attempting to kill an 11-year-old Austrian girl. He was hanged in 1961.
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November 2008 - First military execution since 1961 scheduled next month

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A U.S. soldier convicted of rape and murder two decades ago will be executed December 10 in the nation's first military execution since 1961, the Army said Thursday. Pvt. Ronald Gray has been on the military's death row at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, since 1988.

In July, President George W. Bush approved the Army's request to execute Gray. Current: Gray is still sitting on Death Row.


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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
For you guys who want him killed...what do you consider worse, being dismissed from this world quickly and painlessly (well, not sure how the military does it) or rotting in a jail cell for the rest of your life?

Personally, I'd rather not pay to keep him alive.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
How bad is the condition this guy is in? I know he's been shot four times and was in critical condition. I'm not sure what that means exactly. I want some digging to be done to find out what this guy's potential connections were to Islamic terrorist orginazions before we start talking about flipping the switch.

I don't want to get into the habit of jumping the gun due to his religion and ethnicity, but there are some (as of yet unfounded) allegations about his connections to Islamic terrorists.


My desire to have him killed has nothing to do with religion...I wouldn't care if he were Osama's brother. Okay, maybe that's a bit of a stretch, but you know what I mean.

The only reason to keep him alive if he had ties would be to get information from him.

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My desire to have him killed has nothing to do with religion...


Ditto. My desire is based on the egregious violation of the very Oath he took.

The Soldier's Creed

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I serve the people of the United States and live the Army Values.

I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.

I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills
I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.
I am an expert and I am a professional.
I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.
I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
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The only reason to keep him alive if he had ties would be to get information from him.


Yeah, that's kind of what I'm curious about. If there's information to be had.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
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The only reason to keep him alive if he had ties would be to get information from him.


Yeah, that's kind of what I'm curious about. If there's information to be had.


I really doubt it, honestly. He'd have been under so much observation if that were the case that he wouldn't have made it anywhere...

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For you guys who want him killed...what do you consider worse, being dismissed from this world quickly and painlessly (well, not sure how the military does it) or rotting in a jail cell for the rest of your life?


Well every time I see Charlie Manson come up for parole I'm reminded why we need to kill folks like him.
I'm in California, those are my tax dollars feeding that prick.

Kill him.

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Well every time I see Charlie Manson come up for parole I'm reminded why we need to kill folks like him.
I'm in California, those are my tax dollars feeding that prick.

Kill him.

:clap: I agree.

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As for what he's said on it so far: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/0 ... 47644.html

It's not what he said, it's how he said it.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics ... ident.html

Honestly I don't think the person who wrote that article watched Obama give the speech. The author is calling for
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The president should apologize for the tone of his remarks, explain what has happened, express sympathy for those slain and appeal for calm and patience until all the facts are in. That's the least that should occur.


Minus the "apologize for the tone of his remarks" which is obviously aimed at the "shout out" to a medal of honor winner he did all of that. He was sympathetic, called for Americans to pray with him for the families of those affected and stated that not all of the facts were in yet.

This seems like another case where people who don't like Obama will look at what he says through the head of a pin. Yes focus in on the shout out to a medal of honor winner. Let's examine the entire situation through a key hole. Don't forget to discount everything else he said too. Oh but do forget to take the tone he had when addressing the medal of honor winner and juxtapose it to his somber, serious, and sympathetic tone he had while addressing the Fort Hood shooting. Yeah no Obama clearly didn't express any sympathy throughout that whole thing........................

He was appearing at an event and he thanks everyone at the event first. Dare I say had he done this last this would be a non-issue? Of course not. It would still be an issue. He's Obama, so anything he does is wrong to many on the right. The guy can't win. I mean how insensitive is the President when he says his thoughts and prayers are with the wounded and the family members of the fallen in a sympathetic tone. He also asked all Americans to pray for those involved. Haven't seen this much insensitivity in a long time.

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The state of the country is pathetic right now. Americans that decided to sacrifice a great deal in order to serve their country are dead or wounded. This isn't about Obama. It's not about Democrats or Republicans but many are making this horrific incident out to be about all three of those things. Right now there are way too many opinion columnists out there turning this tragedy into a political circus.

This is a tragedy and not a political opportunity. It's about the men and women who serve in the armed forces. It's about the family members who have lost their loved ones. It's about the loss of some of the best this country has to offer.

We're a few days removed from this tragedy and the tone of the country is disturbing. It's "tragedy at Fort Hood, did Obama react properly? How does this help the Republicans? The Dems don't need this right now." Um shut the fuck up. Those types of questions are not appropriate right now. We're a few days removed from this senseless violence. Please show some respect. By the way this isn't a swipe at anyone on here. It's just a gripe I have with the news media. I'ts not right in my opinion.

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Well, besides his "shout-out" to Dr. Joe Medicine Crow being uncouth, you would expect the Commander in chief to know that the Medal of Honor is awarded for valor in combat.

No?

Dr. Joe Medicine Crow was a recipient of the Medal of Freedom.

So he was rude and wrong.
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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
For you guys who want him killed...what do you consider worse, being dismissed from this world quickly and painlessly (well, not sure how the military does it) or rotting in a jail cell for the rest of your life?


I 100% agree with you here, but it is far more costly and jails are already overcrowded.
I hate to be "that guy" again, but if the government was to decriminalize marijuana we would open up about 50% of our jail space for true criminals, more than likely lowering costs/taxes also.


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The state of the country is pathetic right now. Americans that decided to sacrifice a great deal in order to serve their country are dead or wounded. This isn't about Obama. It's not about Democrats or Republicans but many are making this horrific incident out to be about all three of those things. Right now there are way too many opinion columnists out there turning this tragedy into a political circus.

This is a tragedy and not a political opportunity. It's about the men and women who serve in the armed forces. It's about the family members who have lost their loved ones. It's about the loss of some of the best this country has to offer.

We're a few days removed from this tragedy and the tone of the country is disturbing. It's "tragedy at Fort Hood, did Obama react properly? How does this help the Republicans? The Dems don't need this right now." Um shut the fuck up. Those types of questions are not appropriate right now. We're a few days removed from this senseless violence. Please show some respect. By the way this isn't a swipe at anyone on here. It's just a gripe I have with the news media. I'ts not right in my opinion.

Sadly, it will be turned into a political opportunity because politians love using tragedy to their advantage. As with most tragic events, this could have been avoided on many levels.

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