Slesh, it's attorneys. No need for an apostrophe.

I'm torn on the bill. I hate that insurance still remains a private, for-profit industry. On the other hand certain provisions are obviously good.

But coupled with the lack of a public option OR some sort of price-controlling mandates, the individual coverage mandate and coverage rules just seem destined to increase the average healthcare costs. I kind of agree with Crosscheck that this bill does a totally half-assed job.

They say the perfect compromise should make no one happy. By that standard, this bill looks great.

i'm pretty sure a lot of these issues would have went away if the government had a grant system set up for students who went on to get MD's. if there are more doctors, they will eventually start lowering prices for health visits and hospitalizations etc. medicine would still be an issue to deal with, but i don't see why mechanics and doctors aren't fairly synonymous in that they have a service to offer and base a lot of prices based on the local going rates.

Are you saying that if they eliminate the private sector, it becomes cheaper? Not sure if you are, but that's my theory. Pay our doctors well, build our hospitals to be state of the art, and eliminate the capitalist(aka shareholder/entrepreneur, whatever the fuck ya wanna call it). Now, before anyone goes jumping on me, and calling me a commy, we are no longer a capitalist country anyways. The bail-out reaffirms this. I also realize the government wastes money way better than any private organization, but that DOESN'T mean it HAS to be that way forever. At this junction, the private industry is doing nothing to ensure cheaper premiums, they are protecting profit margins. I think this all began when the corporations truly looked at the bottom line as the only measure of success(when downsizing and all these other 'terms' came to be). Henry Ford used to believe in happy workers and customers. That got lost somewhere, and "your jobs on the line" fear replaced it. Some of you may be too young to remember this, and that's sad. On the other hand, many corporations do still hand out way too much to employees. Some people go to work sick, while others accumulate 40 sick hours so the can take an extra vacation. These were the things unions were supposed to be keeping workers equal in, but they became greedy and political too, leaving our rights and interests at the door.

Sorry if that's a wall of text.

Thats what happens to spelling when you let a blue collar guy in the board room , but on the backside of this, things get "Accomplished" with "Quality" to boot.

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So the big issue is that the government is mandating everyone carry health insurance?

Isn't car insurance similar?

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You don't *have* to own a car...

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I stand in XC's corner on this one CV.
Nowhere in the Constitution does Congress have the right to force American Citizens to buy a product from a "Private Company".
In the Health Care Legislation just passed, the mandate is unconstitutional. Unfortunately, I believe we are about to see our government do something that this nation has never done before, I believe the Supreme Court will rule that the Commerce Clause can be applied to this legislation.

I am not a tea party person, I consider myself very level headed but I do lean Conservative. I am a strong fiscal responsibility guy and when (not if) the Supreme Court rules this way I use common sense to objectively view what has transpired. With that in mind it will be a huge (and really, don't under estimate this), huge step towards a form of twisted Marxism (socialism).

With or without the public option this will be where common sense should lead you. I am not against Health Care Reform, it is one of the top 3 significant issues of our time, but I'll have to call as I see it in accordance with keeping faith in the Constitution and the interpretations that have been laid down of it in histories past.

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Yeah, as NYI said, you don't HAVE to own a car. Car insurance is also a state mandated thing; different states have different rules about car insurance.

In this case, you have the Federal government dictating that you MUST carry health insurance, with exceptions for those that are too poor. However, the ONLY place to get health insurance is from a private company. That's where this idea fails.

Michael Moore's take. I've only listed some of the parts of his article; he's pretty long winded. The whole shebang is available on huffingtonpost.

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That's Michael Moore's argument?

We have more abortions because contraception isn't free?
How much does a box of rubbers cost?
Don't most High Schools hand the things out....for free?

I'm sorry, he's still a frigging idiot.

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I don't think you can pin it on any one argument, but I don't think he's entirely off base.

Sex is still thought of as naughty and tabboo. This makes young people who are sexually active reluctant to seek out proper protection due to not wanting to be embarassed, i.e. having someone you know see you while you're buying condoms.

Sex education in the country is continually underwhelming, between teaching abstince-only sex ed (you want to talk about moronic...) to religious groups attempting to block schools from giving the students any real information.

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Hell, for a long time, I was shy about buying condoms. Those countries embrace sexuality a little better than we do. I think he's got some good points, and even if you think he's an idiot, you have to agree that what we've got....ain't workin...

To be honest - I could care less how many abortions we have. Ever read 'Freakonomics'? I haven't, but a friend and I were having a discussion about abortion, and he brought up the book (he started it a few days/weeks ago). In a nutshell, it talks about how the crime drop in the 90's was always linked to a better economy. That's a pretty good argument. Freakonomics tells you to look back 30 years, when abortions became legal. The dregs of society that didn't want the responsibility of kids now had an option, instead of potentially increasing the criminal population. 30 years later, their potential spawn would have been in their criminal primes. In my mind, it makes sense.

The argument against abortion, in my mind, is stupid. You mean to tell me that you're going to force somebody that doesn't want to have a baby to carry it through the pregnancy, and then bear the burden and responsibility of raising it for the next 18 years? Good luck NOT raising a criminal. You can go on and on about how "if you can't accept the risk...", but that goes against human nature. Accept that as fact, and realign your focus.

If there was a shortage of children to be adopted, and parents were lining up outside foster care facilities just chomping at the bit, it would be a different story.

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Kids/Teens find out quickly that sex is fun. I don't think you can hold that from kids. Kids make dumb decisions, and pregnancy is one result. If parents stopped trying to ban their kids from sex, instead urging the risks and how its not a smart decision at a young age and first and foremost preeching protection, things would be helped a lot. I hate to say it but IMO there are too many parents that suck at parenting and their children suffer due to lack of guidance. Abortions allow these mistakes to be fixed, but yes the system is abused by those who like it "bareback" and unfortunately i don't think that can be changed other than parental guidance, and please refer to the last couple sentences regarding that.

Moral of any story should be that, life is all about decisions, and nobody makes the right ones 24/7, and there's nothing anyone can really do about other peoples stupid decisions. This country should be preeching to parents and putting money towards proper guidance to children. I HATE, and i repeat HATE that public education is suffering lately, because now the kids suffer in the long term due to the fact that there is less proper guidance out there that you get in public schools.

As far as the health care debate, I am glad that the people that make >200K a year are footing the bill and that couples making >250K are also footing the bill. Why? Because they can afford it with little to no problems. I don't think there's one person who's happy about this bill in its entirety, and as US citizens there's nothing wrong with feeling how you do about it. You can't possibly know all the information there is in this bill and a lot of people are misinformed about it, causing people to make bold statements about it. In fact they just don't know any better, and I can't blame them for it either. I don't agree with everything everyone has said and I don't think my mind is going to be easily changed, but I do know that I now have to live with this, and now I have to start making different decisions in life to accommodate with the changes, and I hope that the consequences of those actions don't hurt me or my family/friends that much either.

Sorry for the storybook, but I really wanted to share my opinions here.

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This goes under misinforming the people. Politicians are always quick to offer the facts that help their opinion, never does anyone get the real facts. This is why I hate politics.

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He's not misinforming the people...he let slip the truth.

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Are you kidding? Is there some OTHER clip, or a transcript which doesn't cut off right after 'control the people'? I dont think that was even the end of the sentence.

Go find it.

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