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CriminallyVu1gar
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This is the third thread this guy has contributed in where the stats do not back up his argument.


Oh really?

Could it be instead that you just don't like my observations?



Yes. I do not like things that are incorrect. Like the caps playing less one goal games than other teams, or the playoffs being more defensive.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
This is the third thread this guy has contributed in where the stats do not back up his argument.


Oh really?

Could it be instead that you just don't like my observations?



Yes. I do not like things that are incorrect. Like the caps playing less one goal games than other teams, or the playoffs being more defensive.


Fact is, the Caps are THE most dynamic team on the ice right now. They are exciting to watch and are difficult to play against, if for no other reason than NO LEAD IS SAFE.

Spin the numbers any way you want. Hair-split percentages and totals if you choose. (Caps, by the way, hold the top 4 +/- AND 8 of the top 18). Their roster talent and energy is unmatched and THAT is playoff-friendly-as-hell.


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powerplayer...

how do you think the sabres will fair in the playoffs.

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powerplayer wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
This is the third thread this guy has contributed in where the stats do not back up his argument.


Oh really?

Could it be instead that you just don't like my observations?



Yes. I do not like things that are incorrect. Like the caps playing less one goal games than other teams, or the playoffs being more defensive.


Fact is, the Caps are THE most dynamic team on the ice right now. They are exciting to watch and are difficult to play against, if for no other reason than NO LEAD IS SAFE.

Spin the numbers any way you want. Hair-split percentages and totals if you choose. (Caps, by the way, hold the top 4 +/- AND 8 of the top 18). Their roster talent and energy is unmatched and THAT is playoff-friendly-as-hell.


I didn't spin them, I just refuted the statement you made that they've played fewer 1-goal games than any other playoff team, and disagreed with your assertion that they're a lock to make the conference finals. That's all.

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powerplayer
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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
This is the third thread this guy has contributed in where the stats do not back up his argument.


Oh really?

Could it be instead that you just don't like my observations?



Yes. I do not like things that are incorrect. Like the caps playing less one goal games than other teams, or the playoffs being more defensive.


Fact is, the Caps are THE most dynamic team on the ice right now. They are exciting to watch and are difficult to play against, if for no other reason than NO LEAD IS SAFE.

Spin the numbers any way you want. Hair-split percentages and totals if you choose. (Caps, by the way, hold the top 4 +/- AND 8 of the top 18). Their roster talent and energy is unmatched and THAT is playoff-friendly-as-hell.


I didn't spin them, I just refuted the statement you made that they've played fewer 1-goal games than any other playoff team, and disagreed with your assertion that they're a lock to make the conference finals. That's all.


I didn't come up with the stat that said they've played fewer one-goal games, somebody else did and I was commenting. Also, I never said the Caps had a lock. All I said was I don't see anybody besides the Penz or Devils challenging them for the conference.


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this guy is a complete joke. Telling us to worry about rookie tenders. Saying defense doesn't get tougher come playoff time. We had arguably the best offensive team since the new millenium and did nothing come playoff time. Its nice to score goals(Washington) but if you can't stop you will not win the cup(Washington).


The joker is the one who writes off a goaltender because he doesn't have much (or even any) playoff experience.

Hey joker, it's STILL hockey. You think the Sabres are going to be much more talented against the same guy just because it's the post-season? Really? Where's all that championship-quality-d and firepower gonna come from, Mars?

Get a clue.

Well Mason had 10 shutouts last year and was the only reason the BlueJackets made the playoffs, but what did he do without any sort of playoff experience?

Fleury in his first year was out in 5 games was it?

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powerplayer wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
This is the third thread this guy has contributed in where the stats do not back up his argument.


Oh really?

Could it be instead that you just don't like my observations?



Yes. I do not like things that are incorrect. Like the caps playing less one goal games than other teams, or the playoffs being more defensive.


Fact is, the Caps are THE most dynamic team on the ice right now. They are exciting to watch and are difficult to play against, if for no other reason than NO LEAD IS SAFE.

Spin the numbers any way you want. Hair-split percentages and totals if you choose. (Caps, by the way, hold the top 4 +/- AND 8 of the top 18). Their roster talent and energy is unmatched and THAT is playoff-friendly-as-hell.


The 2006-07 Sabres team had the best goal differential in the regular season. Those Sabres were the equivalent of this years Caps.

They barely made the ECF but getting lucky in the final 5 seconds because Lundqvist and the Rangers defense shut us down all game until Drury pegged it in. If the Rangers had won that game, Game 6 would have been in the Ranger's favor at home.

Here's some +/- numbers from that season:
Afinogenov: +19
Briere: +17
Campbell: +28
Kalinin (yes, Kalinin): +19
Vanek: +47

What did that get from this team? A series blowout from Ottawa in which the team could not score.

Please. Give us more evidence that playoffs aren't more defensive? We're not the ones spinning stats, here.

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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:

The 2006-07 Sabres team had the best goal differential in the regular season. Those Sabres were the equivalent of this years Caps.

They barely made the ECF but getting lucky in the final 5 seconds because Lundqvist and the Rangers defense shut us down all game until Drury pegged it in. If the Rangers had won that game, Game 6 would have been in the Ranger's favor at home.

Here's some +/- numbers from that season:
Afinogenov: +19
Briere: +17
Campbell: +28
Kalinin (yes, Kalinin): +19
Vanek: +47

What did that get from this team? A series blowout from Ottawa in which the team could not score.

Please. Give us more evidence that playoffs aren't more defensive? We're not the ones spinning stats, here.



There goes the spin.

Fact is, if you CHECK your stats, Ottawa was #2 in '06-'07 in scoring right behind the Sabres AND their goal differential that year was actually a bit BETTER than the Sabres! So it stands to reason that they either played them tough or beat them.

Selective stat quoting strikes again.


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The 07 Ottawa series was close too.

Game 1 - tied 2-2 in the third.
Game 2 - OT loss
Game 3 - 1-0 loss
Game 4 - 1 goal win
Game 5 - OT loss

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
The 07 Ottawa series was close too.

Game 1 - tied 2-2 in the third.
Game 2 - OT loss
Game 3 - 1-0 loss
Game 4 - 1 goal win
Game 5 - OT loss


And if you considered the season stats, you would've expected this series to unfold the way it did.

The Sabres scoring ability wasn't nuliified by the fabled playoff hyper-defense. They simply played a team capable of beating them, as was reflected in the stats I quoted above.


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powerplayer wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
The 07 Ottawa series was close too.

Game 1 - tied 2-2 in the third.
Game 2 - OT loss
Game 3 - 1-0 loss
Game 4 - 1 goal win
Game 5 - OT loss


And if you considered the season stats, you would've expected this series to unfold the way it did.

The Sabres scoring ability wasn't nuliified by the fabled playoff hyper-defense. They simply played a team capable of beating them, as was reflected in the stats I quoted above.



Well that and their big name guys stepped up and ours did not.

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powerplayer wrote:
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this guy is a complete joke. Telling us to worry about rookie tenders. Saying defense doesn't get tougher come playoff time. We had arguably the best offensive team since the new millenium and did nothing come playoff time. Its nice to score goals(Washington) but if you can't stop you will not win the cup(Washington).


The joker is the one who writes off a goaltender because he doesn't have much (or even any) playoff experience.

Hey joker, it's STILL hockey. You think the Sabres are going to be much more talented against the same guy just because it's the post-season? Really? Where's all that championship-quality-d and firepower gonna come from, Mars?

Get a clue.

Your telling us to worry about Rookie netminders when we have arguably the best goalie in the game. I'm not writing these kids off. I'm just not worried about their regular season successes. Halak has played 3 NHL playoff games. Elliot hasn't even really proven he's a number one goalie. He's just proven he's the number goalie on a team that doesn't have a real number one goalie. And Rask. Well Rask is the only one who would slightly worry me but without any experience its hard for me to really worry. thats just the way I feel.

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sabresEH wrote:
We had arguably the best offensive team since the new millenium and did nothing come playoff time. Its nice to score goals(Washington) but if you can't stop you will not win the cup(Washington).


Wasn't that one of the best offensive teams ever, and the first to have seven different players with 30+ goals?

I would be a little wary of certain teams purely because the Sabres, specifically, have a tendency to lose to them; however, that wariness goes away when I think of how the playoffs are complete crapshoots every year and it doesn't matter at all what teams lost to other teams in the regular season. None of it has any bearing on what goes down in the postseason. Didn't we sweep the Rangers in 06/07, only to win that series thanks purely to Chris Drury and Ryan Miller? If Drury hadn't scored that goal, they would much more likely than not have lost in six. We may not have swept them; I'm not entirely sure... that might have been the year after that.

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Miller > Rask

Sabres scoring > Bruins scoring.....

Sabres win series....next round please :-P

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acrossthelines wrote:
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We had arguably the best offensive team since the new millenium and did nothing come playoff time. Its nice to score goals(Washington) but if you can't stop you will not win the cup(Washington).


Wasn't that one of the best offensive teams ever, and the first to have seven different players with 30+ goals?

I would be a little wary of certain teams purely because the Sabres, specifically, have a tendency to lose to them; however, that wariness goes away when I think of how the playoffs are complete crapshoots every year and it doesn't matter at all what teams lost to other teams in the regular season. None of it has any bearing on what goes down in the postseason. Didn't we sweep the Rangers in 06/07, only to win that series thanks purely to Chris Drury and Ryan Miller? If Drury hadn't scored that goal, they would much more likely than not have lost in six. We may not have swept them; I'm not entirely sure... that might have been the year after that.

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No, I was right. We swept them.

We won in 6 games to the Rangers, won the first two at home, lost the next two, won game 5 and won game 6. the Sabres didn't sweep any team on their way to their ECF's, unless they swept Philly, but I think that went to 6 games also?

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
acrossthelines wrote:
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We had arguably the best offensive team since the new millenium and did nothing come playoff time. Its nice to score goals(Washington) but if you can't stop you will not win the cup(Washington).


Wasn't that one of the best offensive teams ever, and the first to have seven different players with 30+ goals?

I would be a little wary of certain teams purely because the Sabres, specifically, have a tendency to lose to them; however, that wariness goes away when I think of how the playoffs are complete crapshoots every year and it doesn't matter at all what teams lost to other teams in the regular season. None of it has any bearing on what goes down in the postseason. Didn't we sweep the Rangers in 06/07, only to win that series thanks purely to Chris Drury and Ryan Miller? If Drury hadn't scored that goal, they would much more likely than not have lost in six. We may not have swept them; I'm not entirely sure... that might have been the year after that.

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No, I was right. We swept them.

We won in 6 games to the Rangers, won the first two at home, lost the next two, won game 5 and won game 6. the Sabres didn't sweep any team on their way to their ECF's, unless they swept Philly, but I think that went to 6 games also?



I meant in the regular season leading up to the playoffs. :P There are a lot of series involving a lot of different teams that kind of put to rest any notion that the regular season has any bearing whatsoever on what goes down in the postseason, but that series in particular from the last time the Sabres were in it shows it quite well, just because it involves the team that is the topic of discussion here. The whole thing really came down to one goal, and the winner was decided because Chris Drury scored the last goal in Game 5. If he hadn't, the Sabres would probably have been the team to lose in six, not the Rangers, even though the Sabres swept them that year and were one of the greatest offensive teams in the history of the NHL.

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this guy is a complete joke. Telling us to worry about rookie tenders. Saying defense doesn't get tougher come playoff time. We had arguably the best offensive team since the new millenium and did nothing come playoff time. Its nice to score goals(Washington) but if you can't stop you will not win the cup(Washington).

:handgestures-thumbupright: THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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patkane88 wrote:
sabresEH wrote:
this guy is a complete joke. Telling us to worry about rookie tenders. Saying defense doesn't get tougher come playoff time. We had arguably the best offensive team since the new millenium and did nothing come playoff time. Its nice to score goals(Washington) but if you can't stop you will not win the cup(Washington).

:handgestures-thumbupright: THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



By all means, don't worry about the rookie goaltender! I'm sure the Bruins are hoping the Sabres feel the same way---of course the Sabres are smart enough to not discount him.


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People keep posting stats showing the difference in playoff scoring and regular season scoring, but this doesn't give an accurate picture of the games being more defensive. The fact is, the reason the stats look this way is because you have the top 8 teams playing each other. It doesn't neccessarily mean the games change to a more defensive style, but your taking away goals scored against lesser talented teams like Toronto or Edmonton. I don't have time to do it now, but I would like to see GA and GF for playoff teams playing each other in regular season compared to what they were in the playoffs.

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It doesn't matter if the teams are playing a defensive style or not.

If the teams are better, they have better defenses, which means less scoring.


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