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Yeah be worried of the 3 goalies with how many playoff games played amongst the 3 of them? I'll take Miller against any of those 3 in a 7 game series.


all goalies are unproven in the postseason at some point.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
sabresEH wrote:
Yeah be worried of the 3 goalies with how many playoff games played amongst the 3 of them? I'll take Miller against any of those 3 in a 7 game series.


all goalies are unproven in the postseason at some point.

Well obvs. But he really wants me to worry about 3 goalies wo haven't even played a full NHL season yet come playoff time. I'm not saying they won't play well or anything but why worry about them. But if you have to choose between a goalie with back to back ECF runs or a goalie who hasn't played in a game with the amount of pressure that there will be, i'll take the one with experience of course. I mean Boston has what, the 30th ranked offence and we are supposed to worry about them in a 7 game series.

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powerplayer wrote:
This thread isn't meant to be a downer, but I thought it might be interesting to highlight Sabres troublespots and contemplate how this will affect their playoff potential:

Sabres against Boston: 2-4
Sabres against Ottawa 0-5

Another odd coincidence in light of the division title being won this week: Sabres have lost each of their last meetings with division opponents Boston, Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa.

Rask, Elliott and Halak are not who you wanna face in round 1.

Boston's Rask is the ONLY goaltender with better numbers than Miller. Granted, he's played less games, but still, the numbers are the numbers.

So, ironically, divsion opponents are the Sabres biggest obstacle in the first round.

[edited because I reversed the wins/losses in Boston/Ottawa records vs., Sabres]



The Penguins are 0-10 vs. the Caps and Devils.


Should be a very interesting 2nd/3rd round for the champs.


The Penguins haven't defeated a good team since they beat the Sabres 3-2 back on 3/2/10. It will have been 42-44 days without defeating a quality opponent going into the playoffs. There isn't going to be a second round for the penguins this season.

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sabresEH wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
sabresEH wrote:
Yeah be worried of the 3 goalies with how many playoff games played amongst the 3 of them? I'll take Miller against any of those 3 in a 7 game series.


all goalies are unproven in the postseason at some point.

Well obvs. But he really wants me to worry about 3 goalies wo haven't even played a full NHL season yet come playoff time. I'm not saying they won't play well or anything but why worry about them. But if you have to choose between a goalie with back to back ECF runs or a goalie who hasn't played in a game with the amount of pressure that there will be, i'll take the one with experience of course. I mean Boston has what, the 30th ranked offence and we are supposed to worry about them in a 7 game series.


miller will do his part in the playoff, but the whole team has to pull too. rask scares me, plain and simple. elliot, not as much, but buffalo cant solve him either.

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X-pensfan wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
This thread isn't meant to be a downer, but I thought it might be interesting to highlight Sabres troublespots and contemplate how this will affect their playoff potential:

Sabres against Boston: 2-4
Sabres against Ottawa 0-5

Another odd coincidence in light of the division title being won this week: Sabres have lost each of their last meetings with division opponents Boston, Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa.

Rask, Elliott and Halak are not who you wanna face in round 1.

Boston's Rask is the ONLY goaltender with better numbers than Miller. Granted, he's played less games, but still, the numbers are the numbers.

So, ironically, divsion opponents are the Sabres biggest obstacle in the first round.

[edited because I reversed the wins/losses in Boston/Ottawa records vs., Sabres]



The Penguins are 0-10 vs. the Caps and Devils.


Should be a very interesting 2nd/3rd round for the champs.


The Penguins haven't defeated a good team since they beat the Sabres 3-2 back on 3/2/10. It will have been 42-44 days without defeating a quality opponent going into the playoffs. There isn't going to be a second round for the penguins this season.



Did the Penz cheat on you or something? First, you dropped them like a hot potato (and I am curious why you did), and you are now predicting a 1st round exit.

A bit suspect.

Methinks your ex is gonna make you look like a fool.


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Did the Penz cheat on you or something? First, you dropped them like a hot potato (and I am curious why you did), and you are now predicting a 1st round exit.

A bit suspect.

Methinks your ex is gonna make you look like a fool.
The Pens will make it to the second round, but that's it, losing Gil and Scuderi on defensemen will hurt them in my opinion too much come playoff time, game 6 and 7 were won by those two plays.

Also isn't a win a win no matter how sloppy they played? I seem to think in 7 games if you win a game while being outplayed you may be lucky or something, but you still won, are they going to put an asterisk next to the win saying the team shouldn't have won the game but still did or something?

If the Sabres don't show up yet still win who is going to really complain? We beat Montreal in a SO because of two goals in the last one minute, didn't we still win the game or should they give the win to Montreal because they led us for 58 minutes?? Didn't we also beat the Rangers in 2007 after 59:52.3 minutes of losing the game? Isn't that game still a win in our books even though we didn't score on Lundqvist until 7.7 seconds left?

You nitpick too much and always try to find negative in everything, a win is a win no matter how it's earned or gained in the playoffs, you play shitty yet you still win, YOU STILL WON THE GAME!!!!!!

You're just a troll so why am I responding to you anyways, you can't reason with anyone and you can't ever accept our arguments, you'll never back away from what you have to say. I hope you like living under a bridge troll.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

You nitpick too much and always try to find negative in everything, a win is a win no matter how it's earned or gained in the playoffs, you play shitty yet you still win, YOU STILL WON THE GAME!!!!!!


While you're busy handing out playoff wins before they even start, I'm simply pointing out that a best-of-7 flushes out the better team. When I say "better team", I am talking about great offense, great defense, a strong roster with at least a couple go-to guys, and consistancy in-goal and all around.

The fact that I, among others, point out that the Sabres fall short in several of these categories pisses you and others off. I don't really care. If this team is to be a strong contender vs. a "how the hell did they get up there" kind of team, they need to correct that pronto---that is if you want to see a cup one of these years.

I look past what they are in the standings right now because overall numbers can be deceiving.

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You're just a troll so why am I responding to you anyways, you can't reason with anyone and you can't ever accept our arguments, you'll never back away from what you have to say. I hope you like living under a bridge troll.


A troll? How hackneyed. And no, I cannot reason with reactionary fans who don't think past the current overall avg. numbers without any regard for the future. If your arguments aren't reasonable, why would I give in, just so I can also say "our" arguments? Learn to think and speak for yourself.

And if I was a troll, I certainly would have called you an asshole by now, and I haven't.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:50 am 
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powerplayer wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
This thread isn't meant to be a downer, but I thought it might be interesting to highlight Sabres troublespots and contemplate how this will affect their playoff potential:

Sabres against Boston: 2-4
Sabres against Ottawa 0-5

Another odd coincidence in light of the division title being won this week: Sabres have lost each of their last meetings with division opponents Boston, Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa.

Rask, Elliott and Halak are not who you wanna face in round 1.

Boston's Rask is the ONLY goaltender with better numbers than Miller. Granted, he's played less games, but still, the numbers are the numbers.

So, ironically, divsion opponents are the Sabres biggest obstacle in the first round.

[edited because I reversed the wins/losses in Boston/Ottawa records vs., Sabres]



The Penguins are 0-10 vs. the Caps and Devils.


Should be a very interesting 2nd/3rd round for the champs.


The Penguins haven't defeated a good team since they beat the Sabres 3-2 back on 3/2/10. It will have been 42-44 days without defeating a quality opponent going into the playoffs. There isn't going to be a second round for the penguins this season.



Did the Penz cheat on you or something? First, you dropped them like a hot potato (and I am curious why you did), and you are now predicting a 1st round exit.

A bit suspect.

Methinks your ex is gonna make you look like a fool.



:roll:

I've already discussed why, and I'm already burned out by the paranoia. In short: Ruff, America, been disenchanted for years, and right time to go.

On paper they can beat any team in the league, and if they were playing at full intensity I would pick them to win it. Malkin and Fleury especially, and not even Crosby (or Lemieux or Jagr) could win a Cup without A LOT of help.

Anytime a team goes far into the playoffs, history will show that they went into the playoffs playing their best hockey. The Pens are kind of coasting in, for a good while now. That's all the evidence I need, games aren't won on paper and unlike you, I watch most of their games. Beating up on the Islanders doesn't mean much to me, even though I was there to witness history. :)

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powerplayer wrote:
Did the Penz cheat on you or something? First, you dropped them like a hot potato (and I am curious why you did), and you are now predicting a 1st round exit.

A bit suspect.

Methinks your ex is gonna make you look like a fool.
The Pens will make it to the second round, but that's it, losing Gil and Scuderi on defensemen will hurt them in my opinion too much come playoff time, game 6 and 7 were won by those two plays.

Also isn't a win a win no matter how sloppy they played? I seem to think in 7 games if you win a game while being outplayed you may be lucky or something, but you still won, are they going to put an asterisk next to the win saying the team shouldn't have won the game but still did or something?

If the Sabres don't show up yet still win who is going to really complain? We beat Montreal in a SO because of two goals in the last one minute, didn't we still win the game or should they give the win to Montreal because they led us for 58 minutes?? Didn't we also beat the Rangers in 2007 after 59:52.3 minutes of losing the game? Isn't that game still a win in our books even though we didn't score on Lundqvist until 7.7 seconds left?

You nitpick too much and always try to find negative in everything, a win is a win no matter how it's earned or gained in the playoffs, you play shitty yet you still win, YOU STILL WON THE GAME!!!!!!

You're just a troll so why am I responding to you anyways, you can't reason with anyone and you can't ever accept our arguments, you'll never back away from what you have to say. I hope you like living under a bridge troll.


Aww man there's trolls on this board too?! I didn't sign up for this! Which way to the Canucks page?!

Hahahahaaaaa.

Scuderi and Gill played great for the Pens, especially in the playoff last year, but their impact was severely over-hyped. Gill first of all, looked good because of Scuderi. Gill is the slowest player perhaps ever, and if he doesn't have a good positional partner (what??) he's nothing but a huge liability. Try pairing him with an offensive minded defense man and it's over. The planets simply aligned for Scuderi, the tumblers of the universe fell into place for him during his contract season. He played amazing, but to make a defensive zone highlight reel play (and to not see the countless times he gets burned) in the SCF, made him worth 3.5/year! Yeah, he makes as much as Orpik and Volchenkov but he's absolutely allergic to the offensive zone lol. Scuderi also helped to minimize the damage from Ovechkin, but it's worth noting that Ovechkin still pretty much dominated the Penguins like he does every team.

Having said all of that, the rookie Goligoski is absolutely lost right now, tripping over his feet, indecisive, to go along with a diminutive stature. And everybody here kept saying that Letang's head was screwed up because he didn't get a contract. Well he got a contract, and he still treats the puck like a live hand grenade. If the Penguins want to go far (and don't worry, their coaches will never figure this out) they would scratch Goligoski and go back to a defensive 3rd pairing like they had last year, this time using McKee as the slow footed big man with the reliable Eaton.

The rest of the defense is actually really good, Orpik, Gonchar, Leopold, and Eaton are all playing really well right now and for most of the season.

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powerplayer wrote:
A troll? How hackneyed. And no, I cannot reason with reactionary fans who don't think past the current overall avg. numbers without any regard for the future. If your arguments aren't reasonable, why would I give in, just so I can also say "our" arguments? Learn to think and speak for yourself.

And if I was a troll, I certainly would have called you an asshole by now, and I haven't.


Powerplayer : This is going to be your first and only warning.

You're free to debate your opinions here, but you will do so with respect. It doesn't matter why X-pensfan no longer roots for the Pens. That's not your concern, and irrelevant.

One more out of line comment, and we'll start taking action against you.


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Powerplayer, you are coming off rather trollish.

And you clearly spend a lot of time thinking about the weaknesses of the team, and the various ways and reasons they wont be successful, which seems like an odd thing for an actual fan of a team to do. I'm not saying you aren't, but I'd say we're all sort of excited for the playoffs, not looking for a reason why the sabres wont be successful.


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X-pensfan wrote:

Anytime a team goes far into the playoffs, history will show that they went into the playoffs playing their best hockey.



BINGO!

The Sabres best hockey was in the first half of the season. Check the numbers. There is a stark difference, particularly against playoff teams.


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Squanto wrote:

Powerplayer : This is going to be your first and only warning.

You're free to debate your opinions here, but you will do so with respect. It doesn't matter why X-pensfan no longer roots for the Pens. That's not your concern, and irrelevant.

One more out of line comment, and we'll start taking action against you.



The ONLY time I EVER respond rudely is if I am insulted or attacked. You cannot give even ONE example where this is not the case. Not one. But, as usual, it's okay to insult me and call me names, but not okay for me to defend myself.

Gotcha.

If this board is to be one big cicrle-jerk where those who disagree are treated rudely while mods look the other way, it really should be specified in the rules.

I've been down this road before with you and should have expected this. And by the way, I've seen you say some pretty nasty shit to people. Try leading by example.


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powerplayer wrote:
A troll? How hackneyed. And no, I cannot reason with reactionary fans who don't think past the current overall avg. numbers without any regard for the future. If your arguments aren't reasonable, why would I give in, just so I can also say "our" arguments?Learn to think and speak for yourself.

And if I was a troll, I certainly would have called you an asshole by now, and I haven't.


The highlighted portions are clear attempts to stir shit up. There's plenty of disagreement in opinions on these boards. As long as you can do it civilly, you're free to hang out. The quoted section is not civil disagreement.

If you feel that someone took a shot at you, use the report a post feature, and one of the mods will take a look at it. Using the 'well he said something first' excuse doesn't work.


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powerplayer wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:

Anytime a team goes far into the playoffs, history will show that they went into the playoffs playing their best hockey.



BINGO!

The Sabres best hockey was in the first half of the season. Check the numbers. There is a stark difference, particularly against playoff teams.



That's true, the Sabres have not beaten a good team in a long time too. But I'm on board now, and I've been to the Finals two seasons in a row and I'm not about to let that streak die!

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X-pensfan wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:

Anytime a team goes far into the playoffs, history will show that they went into the playoffs playing their best hockey.



BINGO!

The Sabres best hockey was in the first half of the season. Check the numbers. There is a stark difference, particularly against playoff teams.



That's true, the Sabres have not beaten a good team in a long time too. But I'm on board now, and I've been to the Finals two seasons in a row and I'm not about to let that streak die!


I have asked this before and never saw your answer:

I am genuinely curious as to WHY you are an EX-Penz fans. Why would you renounce your fan status?

I've been fans of different teams over the years in different sports and maybe my interest waned, but I never really would proclaim myself an EX fan of a team I once followed.


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powerplayer wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:

Anytime a team goes far into the playoffs, history will show that they went into the playoffs playing their best hockey.



BINGO!

The Sabres best hockey was in the first half of the season. Check the numbers. There is a stark difference, particularly against playoff teams.



That's true, the Sabres have not beaten a good team in a long time too. But I'm on board now, and I've been to the Finals two seasons in a row and I'm not about to let that streak die!


I have asked this before and never saw your answer:

I am genuinely curious as to WHY you are an EX-Penz fans. Why would you renounce your fan status?

I've been fans of different teams over the years in different sports and maybe my interest waned, but I never really would proclaim myself an EX fan of a team I once followed.



The information you seek is out there, if it's interesting to you seek it out. It's not a big deal really, not worth repeating over and over again.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

You nitpick too much and always try to find negative in everything, a win is a win no matter how it's earned or gained in the playoffs, you play shitty yet you still win, YOU STILL WON THE GAME!!!!!!


While you're busy handing out playoff wins before they even start, I'm simply pointing out that a best-of-7 flushes out the better team. When I say "better team", I am talking about great offense, great defense, a strong roster with at least a couple go-to guys, and consistancy in-goal and all around.

The fact that I, among others, point out that the Sabres fall short in several of these categories pisses you and others off. I don't really care. If this team is to be a strong contender vs. a "how the hell did they get up there" kind of team, they need to correct that pronto---that is if you want to see a cup one of these years.

I look past what they are in the standings right now because overall numbers can be deceiving.

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You're just a troll so why am I responding to you anyways, you can't reason with anyone and you can't ever accept our arguments, you'll never back away from what you have to say. I hope you like living under a bridge troll.


A troll? How hackneyed. And no, I cannot reason with reactionary fans who don't think past the current overall avg. numbers without any regard for the future. If your arguments aren't reasonable, why would I give in, just so I can also say "our" arguments? Learn to think and speak for yourself.

And if I was a troll, I certainly would have called you an asshole by now, and I haven't.

I'm handing out playoff wins now?

I'm just saying if you win no matter how badly you played you still won the game and you can't argue that.

A win is a win, just like a goal is a goal no matter how it's scored. I'm confident in our team to make a good playoff run, I am more of an optimist then you are, you don't like it, well don't try and twist words around to make them always fit your arguments.

It's just like the stats you are trying to use, you will always pick the ones that back your argument up, but when you look at the whole picture of those stats it's irrelevant.

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