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powerplayer
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:29 pm 
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ironyisadeadscene wrote:

and thats the way the cookie crumbles. every teams fans blames the refs for their teams shortcomings, and i HATE that.

but yes, i do agree last game was not a well called game.



THAT.


Couple other things:

I beleive there may have been a premeditated (maybe subconscious) bias aginst Kaleta and McCormick. I'm sure the refs knew why McCOrmick magically appeared on the roster (they don't live in a vacum) and Kaleta's rep precedes him.

Any doubt? Ask Sean Avery. I think the refs decide before a game how many times Avery will get thrown in the box. That's part of the downside of being an enforcer/aggitator: The refs are watching you and automatically jumping to conclusions. Part of the game.

You do, however, need to overcome these situations. A way to do that is SCORE. Keeping goals out just isn't good enough, but thanks anyway Miller.

And I think the comment about Paul Hamilton is unfair. I actually appreciate Hamilton's brutal honesty. I hear him rave about team positives and royally rip them for the nonsense. I don't like hearing excuses and smoke blowing.


I think no reporter should be a douche like that. He's trying to piss of Ruff, which is either for personal gain or he just wants to see him get in trouble.



I think Hamilton just thinks they blew the lead, so he phrased it that way.


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Either way, he meant to get a rise out of Lindy. I don't think he expected Lindy to give all of them the ole fuck off

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That clip was actually really good to see, it's nice to know that we're not insane, the reffing was a complete fucking joke, and that Ruff had the balls to basically say as much while toeing the line of being fined. Fuckit, he gets paid millions and this is probably his PASSION in life, if that was me i'd be calling out the refs big time, to anyone who would listen, and pay the fine with a truckload of pennies. Fuck the league and it's zero ref transparency, entire seasons blown by absurd differences in the rules between regular and post season, or by straight up incompetence. Infuriating.


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That clip was actually really good to see, it's nice to know that we're not insane, the reffing was a complete fucking joke, and that Ruff had the balls to basically say as much while toeing the line of being fined. Fuckit, he gets paid millions and this is probably his PASSION in life, if that was me i'd be calling out the refs big time, to anyone who would listen, and pay the fine with a truckload of pennies. Fuck the league and it's zero ref transparency, entire seasons blown by absurd differences in the rules between regular and post season, or by straight up incompetence. Infuriating.


Dude... I say we pull a Mcelvin and find the ref, and crap in his pool.

Joke by the way.

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the thing is they still need to kill that penalty whether they like that penalty or not. I think they were shit calls and cost us the game, but we only have human refs. I don't like Lindy blaming the refs, or injuries. where is the inspiring the players to to step up.

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I wish the NHL held their refs accountable and didn't fine players or coaches calling them out.

Because maybe the integrity of the league would be better, the reffing would be better, and the refs could not be assholes and call a game how they like to call it.

Every game, the refs should have a meeting with some sort of Ref committee to determine their eligibility to ref.

The refs need to be accountable for their actions, and that is not the case in the NHL, Bettman needs to quit and have a true person who actually cares about the game run the league.

Refs need to be responsible for what they do in the game, how do you miss a call or blow a call that bad with four refs on the ice, but when a penalty is called that is terrible it should be able to be vetoed.

I don't know, make the refs responsible for their actions and maybe the reffing gets better.

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refs are held responsible. refs are graded, and such, they are giving more assignments and more glamourous, high paying jobs. refs dont make salary, really. they are paid by appearance, and appearance frequency, ESPECIALLY in the post season, is done by the highest rated and graded refs.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
refs are held responsible. refs are graded, and such, they are giving more assignments and more glamourous, high paying jobs. refs dont make salary, really. they are paid by appearance, and appearance frequency, ESPECIALLY in the post season, is done by the highest rated and graded refs.

I'm talking about being held responsible like the NFL refs are.

They fuck it up, they will get in trouble, worse then any NHL ref.

Bettman needs to take out the fine for calling out refs, because it's horseshit.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Ughiness.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:

Bettman needs to take out the fine for calling out refs, because it's horseshit.


Ridiculous.

While this may make post-game press conferences a lot more colorful and entertaining, it will HURT the league.

Think about it: After EVERY GAME, you will have coaches and players trash-talking the reffing. Way-to-go if you intend on completely undermining the veracity of ALL game outcomes.

I know you're angry, but think it through.


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powerplayer wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:

Bettman needs to take out the fine for calling out refs, because it's horseshit.


Ridiculous.

While this may make post-game press conferences a lot more colorful and entertaining, it will HURT the league.

Think about it: After EVERY GAME, you will have coaches and players trash-talking the reffing. Way-to-go if you intend on completely undermining the veracity of ALL game outcomes.

I know you're angry, but think it through.


I agree with you on this PP, but if the players and coaches are expected to just shut up and accept the reffing, it seems there is a responsibility on the part of the league to uphold higher standards of consistency than we currently see. I have a hard time believing there is THAT much judging of the refs by some shadowy group of administrators we never hear about, enforcing any sort of standards. Honestly, this might be naive but if I were Bettman, and I saw one of these absurdly reffed games i'd get a tape of it, and sit down with the referees involved. I'd want to know why they seemed to have two different standards of what is and is not a penalty. I know in the case of game 4 i'm completely biased, but we've all seen games with other teams where one of them just seemed charmed, the other cursed, by the refs. WHY this happens should be addressed by SOMEONE, I really wonder if bettman even agrees with the fact that the reffing is sometimes fucked. And if so what he does about it, or attempts to.


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powerplayer wrote:
And I think the comment about Paul Hamilton is unfair. I actually appreciate Hamilton's brutal honesty. I hear him rave about team positives and royally rip them for the nonsense. I don't like hearing excuses and smoke blowing. And speaking of blowing, I don't on the other hand, think using the phrase "blow the lead" to Lindy's face just after the game was the best choice of words. Yikes!


You haven't been around that long, so you probably don't know about my loathing of Paul Hamilton. The guy is no more qualified to provide his hockey opinion than you, me, or anyone else here.

His playing experience consists of high school and pickup games at the Pepsi Center. That's it. Ever notice how major sports networks have anchors to tell you what happened, then former players to tell you what it means? That's the way to do it. Hamilton's job is to follow the team around, and report on the games and the players. He's not any more of an expert than anyone who watches their practices or every game.

He should tell the story, and not be part of the story. He's become the story too many times by asking a dumb ass question and getting someone riled up. When he asked Ruff this question, he KNEW it would get a rise out of him, and he fucked over every other reporter in the room that may have had a legitimate question about the game.

He's made comments in intermissions about how a particular player 'sucks tonight', and then Lindy comes out in the postgame and says that the same player played well, giving some specifics. Who am I supposed to believe, the longest tenured head coach in the league, or the guy that couldn't coach a midget team getting ice cream at Andersons?

I'm not saying the guy shouldn't give some opinions, or be critical, but he acts like he knows more than the coaching staff and professionals who have been doing it longer than he has been in broadcasting.


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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
refs are held responsible. refs are graded, and such, they are giving more assignments and more glamourous, high paying jobs. refs dont make salary, really. they are paid by appearance, and appearance frequency, ESPECIALLY in the post season, is done by the highest rated and graded refs.


Grade them all you want, they still have jobs when they're terrible.

Just as some players are happy to collect a paycheck, there are some refs that probably fall into that category.


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Squanto wrote:
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And I think the comment about Paul Hamilton is unfair. I actually appreciate Hamilton's brutal honesty. I hear him rave about team positives and royally rip them for the nonsense. I don't like hearing excuses and smoke blowing. And speaking of blowing, I don't on the other hand, think using the phrase "blow the lead" to Lindy's face just after the game was the best choice of words. Yikes!


You haven't been around that long, so you probably don't know about my loathing of Paul Hamilton. The guy is no more qualified to provide his hockey opinion than you, me, or anyone else here.

His playing experience consists of high school and pickup games at the Pepsi Center. That's it. Ever notice how major sports networks have anchors to tell you what happened, then former players to tell you what it means? That's the way to do it. Hamilton's job is to follow the team around, and report on the games and the players. He's not any more of an expert than anyone who watches their practices or every game.

I used to think the same way as you, Powerplayer.

But lately, he's done nothing but piss me off.
He should tell the story, and not be part of the story. He's become the story too many times by asking a dumb ass question and getting someone riled up. When he asked Ruff this question, he KNEW it would get a rise out of him, and he fucked over every other reporter in the room that may have had a legitimate question about the game.

He's made comments in intermissions about how a particular player 'sucks tonight', and then Lindy comes out in the postgame and says that the same player played well, giving some specifics. Who am I supposed to believe, the longest tenured head coach in the league, or the guy that couldn't coach a midget team getting ice cream at Andersons?

I'm not saying the guy shouldn't give some opinions, or be critical, but he acts like he knows more than the coaching staff and professionals who have been doing it longer than he has been in broadcasting.

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Squanto wrote:
You haven't been around that long, so you probably don't know about my loathing of Paul Hamilton. The guy is no more qualified to provide his hockey opinion than you, me, or anyone else here.

His playing experience consists of high school and pickup games at the Pepsi Center. That's it. Ever notice how major sports networks have anchors to tell you what happened, then former players to tell you what it means? That's the way to do it. Hamilton's job is to follow the team around, and report on the games and the players. He's not any more of an expert than anyone who watches their practices or every game.

He should tell the story, and not be part of the story. He's become the story too many times by asking a dumb ass question and getting someone riled up. When he asked Ruff this question, he KNEW it would get a rise out of him, and he fucked over every other reporter in the room that may have had a legitimate question about the game.

He's made comments in intermissions about how a particular player 'sucks tonight', and then Lindy comes out in the postgame and says that the same player played well, giving some specifics. Who am I supposed to believe, the longest tenured head coach in the league, or the guy that couldn't coach a midget team getting ice cream at Andersons?

I'm not saying the guy shouldn't give some opinions, or be critical, but he acts like he knows more than the coaching staff and professionals who have been doing it longer than he has been in broadcasting.

That's how I feel about him too. He wants to inject his opinion too much instead of just doing the reporting. For example, Lindy was saying how it's hard to break through on the power play because of how well each team has been at penalty killing, and Hamilton made the headline say something like, "Ruff gives up on the power play." WTF?

I always thought the players have been really polite to Hamilton, I mean somtimes I hear him asking a question and I just cringe because it's so damn stupid or arrogant but the players have never been anything but gracious and polite with him, which is a hell of a lot more patient than I'd be.

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Squanto wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
refs are held responsible. refs are graded, and such, they are giving more assignments and more glamourous, high paying jobs. refs dont make salary, really. they are paid by appearance, and appearance frequency, ESPECIALLY in the post season, is done by the highest rated and graded refs.


Grade them all you want, they still have jobs when they're terrible.

Just as some players are happy to collect a paycheck, there are some refs that probably fall into that category.


very true, tom. but those refs arnt calling the playoffs.

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