squanto, i don't think it's that i'm trying to be difficult any more than you wish to control the content of a thread based on whether or not you have a problem with the person posting.

i'm not pissy, but i can tell you're irritated. does that amuse me? a bit, i suppose.

i was just suggesting you ignore what i say, as in don't look at it, since it seems to irritate you more often than not. if you wish me to act like some poster that you "rassled" into submission due to the fact that you brought up your mod status, then i won't post anymore.

as it has been previously stated, this thread has been off-topic, as have many other threads at various points in time, and it seems obvious to me that you made a point out of this for a specific reason. point made, sir.

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I brought it up because I happened to see it. I don't read everything that gets posted. Nobody does.

It offends me that you think my goal is to control opinions or content. If that were true, I would be deleting or editing posts.

Fuck it. I have better things to do with my time than to deal with this kind of nonsense. Go ahead, do whatever the hell you want. I won't say a word to you.

well, if those weren't your intentions, i apologize.

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An interesting Q+A with President Clinton concerning the community center

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It's a religious center, where Islamic families who lost friends and relatives on 9.11 can go to pray and remember.

Why can't we just be compassionate and tolerant?

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Because of politics.

Because having someone to blame for things out of their control makes life nicer for morons

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adam, sometimes i disagree with you. not this time!

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Which is the greater good here?
Is it the families of 9/11 victims and the larger portion of terrorized New York City citizens from that day that are Christian?
Or is it the Muslim community, who also lost people on 9/11, albiet in a much smaller number?

Strictly on a constitutional level, its perfectly ok for an Islamic Center to be built at the current proposed site, but things always aren't that simple in life.
When does sensitivity play an appropriate role, and who is to decide the threshold of that line?
Situations such as this are easier to navigate when there is precedence in place, but here, we have none, or do we?

I cannot see how building a Mosque in this building has anything to do with 9/11, but I'm just using the common sense I understand. After all, there are Mosque's all over this nation. But then we come back to the sensitivity issue for the families of victims and some of the survivors themselves.

The question I would be asking is what harm would it do to move the Mosque 5 blocks instead of 2 blocks away, would this not help the healing process?
Just my opinion mind you, but it is the families that should be supporting the building of this center, not fighting it. One of the greatest things about this nation is its ability to take the moral high ground and uphold the values that generations of this nation have upheld (granted, it has erroded significantly in recent history, but it's still one of the noble principles I would like to think exists in our society).

Politics have played a shrewed role in forming a very ill spirited debate on this issue and shame on those who look to capitalize on this subject by utilizing victims families emotions as a tool for a means to their own end. That is not noble, that is disgusting and only further shows myself how the errosion of our values system has degenerated to such an extent.

A very interesting view of just how Polarized this nation is when you view the debate on this subject. Once again, its just my opinion, and I am no one special, but some of our fellow citizens need to take a good, long, look in the mirror.
Who have we become as a nation if we demand certain groups, or labeled groups, aren't given the same due course as we ourselves expect?

Very disturbing indeed.

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I'm not sure how that matters. Just because more Christians died than Muslims doesn't somehow mean that they have more say about what happens two blocks away and 10 years later.

There were mosques inside the towers. There were (and are) mosques inside the Pentagon. It wasn't a big deal then. Why should it be now?

I'm right with you though in thinking that a lot of people need to look in the mirror on this whole thing. I wish more people thought for themselves instead of just repeating propaganda from the folks who make a living off such things.

Many lives were lost on 9/11. Not just Muslims and Christians. People from different religions, race, ethnicities, etc. were lost that day, but what they all had in common was that they were American. The Muslim-Americans who would benefit from this cultural center being built are no less American than any Christian-American in this country. It shouldn't matter that they are a minority, they are still Americans and they deserve to have an Islamic Center/mosque/whatever you want to call it built wherever they hell they want. They were just as affected by 9/11 (if not more) than any other American.

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As I type this right now there's an ad at the bottom of the page:

"Mosque at ground Zero: Freedom of Religion or Spoils of War"

Disturbing to me as well in its polarization. Good post Slesh. I wish there were more nuances to the black-and-white way this is portrayed.

THIS

When do you draw the line at “being sensitive”? 10 years after 9/11? 20 years? When millions of Christians falsely believe that all Muslims are terrorists? When Muslim Americans are expected to apologize for acts that they themselves were also the victims of?

Muslim Americans didn’t have a thing to do with the terrorism so why do they have to be apologetic and “sensitive”? Are we allowed to just blindly hate anyone we feel like since we were bombed by people with brown skin, somehow giving us the right because we’re “victims”? I’m not saying I don’t understand it but I am saying that it makes as much rational sense as a rape victim blaming ALL men for what happened to her.

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Not to stereo type hear but why is when some one who is arrested for trying to execute a terrorist attack it is usually almost always Muslims? like last week a little town just out side of London, Ontario was trying to blow shit up and of course he is of Muslim background. http://www.stratfordbeaconherald.com/Ar ... ?e=2732778

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They agree with the Muslim extremists?

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"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.

I guess so.

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What are you trying to imply here? You can't just say something like, "of course he is of a Muslim background" and leave it just at that without elaborating. Are you trying to say that the most Muslims are terrorists or what?

That would be like me saying, "Not to stereotype here, but why is it when someone is arrested for committing a crime they are usually almost always black people? Like the City Grill shooting a few weeks ago, of course all the people involved were black."

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