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I think the financial damage caused is just as egregious as the environmental damage. It's just different.

That being said, hydrofracking has been used for years, studied, and found to not cause any significant harm. Some newer methods are under scrutiny, and may end up being outlawed if the research shows that they should be, but I'm not going to jump all over a guy because he MIGHT be doing something that's environmentally harmful.


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You know who I really blame?
I blame that dipshit blonde bartender at the Harbor Club, serving me fucking light beer, the nerve of that bitch. But, I did attempt to ask her for her number (for some reason, when I called it, I got Bettman) :D

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slesh wrote:
You know who I really blame?
I blame that dipshit blonde bartender at the Harbor Club, serving me fucking light beer, the nerve of that bitch. But, I did attempt to ask her for her number (for some reason, when I called it, I got Bettman) :D


Whats that number!!! Id like to give bettmen a piece of my mind!!! lol

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Anyone with the interest and the ability should watch the documentary Gasland about hydrofracking, which was made by a filmmaker from rural Pennsylvania, a place very close and very like my birthplace in Cattaraugus County.

Stuuuuuu,

Look up Guenot Settlement, PA.

My name is Ty Guenot, my family has deep roots there.

My family owns property in Lydon, just east of Franklinville.
As a matter of fact, I just harvested a doe this past weekend out by Gunners place on Grove Rd.

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If your qualification as an owner is running a company NOT in the business of fucking people over for money, you might as well fold the team.

Besides hydrofracking has been done for over 50 years. You haven't heard a peep about it until recently. I'm not saying that it probably has some downsides, but until there is some solid studies done, I'm not buying the word of people bitching and moaning about it.

A real estate agent fucks people over for money by charging a fee for a service people could do themselves. BUT, no one is going to be physically damaged by that. Compromising water tables and hiding your operations behind a veil of secrecy is a different beast altogether though. Even insider traders or companies that pull Enronesque stunts that take people's retirement funds don't do the kind of damage fracking does IMO. There's dirty money and then there's blood money. It might be hard to avoid coming into contact with dirty money, but it sure beats having your hockey team bought with blood money. That's my opinion.

Mr. Pegula is a decent guy Stuuuuu, by all accounts that I know of.
He's not out to murder people.

I happen to agree with Squanto here in all honesty. If Mr. Pegula wishes to buy the Buffalo Sabres, I see no reason why I should protest it. He is doing something, as Squanto pointed out, thats been done for years now. Why should he be singled out?

It's often said we vote with our dollars. You're in the energy business, so you know that when it comes to natural gas, there's very little I can do with my money to affect the business. Gas companies are basically monopolies. If I don't like their practices, only thing I can do is switch to another form of energy. I can't choose another gas provider.

My entertainment dollars, on the other hand, I can control. I spend a lot of those on hockey, and most all of that on the Sabres. Can you understand how frustrating it would be to me to know that not only when I buy energy, but also when I consume entertainment, my dollars are ultimately going into the pockets of those destroying my environment for financial gain?


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slesh
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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
slesh wrote:
Stuuuuuuu wrote:
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If your qualification as an owner is running a company NOT in the business of fucking people over for money, you might as well fold the team.

Besides hydrofracking has been done for over 50 years. You haven't heard a peep about it until recently. I'm not saying that it probably has some downsides, but until there is some solid studies done, I'm not buying the word of people bitching and moaning about it.

A real estate agent fucks people over for money by charging a fee for a service people could do themselves. BUT, no one is going to be physically damaged by that. Compromising water tables and hiding your operations behind a veil of secrecy is a different beast altogether though. Even insider traders or companies that pull Enronesque stunts that take people's retirement funds don't do the kind of damage fracking does IMO. There's dirty money and then there's blood money. It might be hard to avoid coming into contact with dirty money, but it sure beats having your hockey team bought with blood money. That's my opinion.

Mr. Pegula is a decent guy Stuuuuu, by all accounts that I know of.
He's not out to murder people.

I happen to agree with Squanto here in all honesty. If Mr. Pegula wishes to buy the Buffalo Sabres, I see no reason why I should protest it. He is doing something, as Squanto pointed out, thats been done for years now. Why should he be singled out?

It's often said we vote with our dollars. You're in the energy business, so you know that when it comes to natural gas, there's very little I can do with my money to affect the business. Gas companies are basically monopolies. If I don't like their practices, only thing I can do is switch to another form of energy. I can't choose another gas provider.

My entertainment dollars, on the other hand, I can control. I spend a lot of those on hockey, and most all of that on the Sabres. Can you understand how frustrating it would be to me to know that not only when I buy energy, but also when I consume entertainment, my dollars are ultimately going into the pockets of those destroying my environment for financial gain?

Don't get me wrong here Stuuuu, I am pro renewable energy all day long. I gave up an 80 thousand dollar a year gig to start this business. I went over 150 thousand in debt. Its been hell on my wife, my kids, my immediate family. I wouldn't have done that if I didn't think it was worth it, and not just money. Hell Stuuuuu, my payday would have been lower than my normal pay, as an electrician had the deal in WNY here come through.

Sacrifices have to be made. But regardless of that, I still sit on the overall package for Waste to Energy in WNY with 0 emissions. I won't sell it, because those that buy this information wouldn't commit to doing the right thing as I would, but its really no secret. It just takes leg work and alot of hours, I mean alot of hours to put it all together. I remember posting on this site as I was building that package.

We are going to need all avenues of fuel for now, its just not economically feasible to go to all renewables immediately. Mr. Pegual is just the type of individual that I would want in the region. If given the right amount of time to detail the plan, and show the profitability of this project, I think he'd be interested, especially if he is invested in the region.

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Of course I don't know the guy, so maybe he's well-intentioned and miss-informed. But I do know that gas company officials who work with fracking would not touch the drinking water in a fracked area with a ten-foot pole, even as they assure residents that their water is safe to drink. It drives me nuts to think that legislatures cave to the lobbyists from these companies and refuse to take a stand. So like politicians, I have a low opinion of people in the fracking business.


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slesh wrote:
Stuuuuuuu wrote:
Anyone with the interest and the ability should watch the documentary Gasland about hydrofracking, which was made by a filmmaker from rural Pennsylvania, a place very close and very like my birthplace in Cattaraugus County.

Stuuuuuu,

Look up Guenot Settlement, PA.

My name is Ty Guenot, my family has deep roots there.

My family owns property in Lydon, just east of Franklinville.
As a matter of fact, I just harvested a doe this past weekend out by Gunners place on Grove Rd.

Beautiful country there. I spent some time in Austin house-sitting for friends many years ago. Looks like Guenot Settlement is fairly near there. Great land, horrible beer laws.


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slesh
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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
Of course I don't know the guy, so maybe he's well-intentioned and miss-informed. But I do know that gas company officials who work with fracking would not touch the drinking water in a fracked area with a ten-foot pole, even as they assure residents that their water is safe to drink. It drives me nuts to think that legislatures cave to the lobbyists from these companies and refuse to take a stand. So like politicians, I have a low opinion of people in the fracking business.

Oh, I don't kid myself.
I am well aware he knows the consequences with regards to bi-products and side affects of the process.
It doesn't happen everywhere though. And PA is heavy in fossil beds. Did I ever mention my first job, at 14 to 16 years old I worked in a coal mine in Clearfield Co. PA. My grandfather was a coalminer, as was my real father, all of my uncles, my grandfathers brothers....etc....etc......

That area is ripe with energy related fuels, so it was only natural I end up in energy, in one form or another.
I can't say whether the bedrock and underlay of fossil has anything to do with the gas release into the wells, but I can say the chemicals are more than questionable.

I would need a guy like Mr. Pegula up in this area to make anything go from end, or atleast have a chance at it. Paladino is worthless and the political structure in NY is just down right criminal.

All I can tell you is that having a man with his contacts and industry knowledge would be a boon for my company if I can get his attention, its better than anything we currently have up here.

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slesh
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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
slesh wrote:
Stuuuuuuu wrote:
Anyone with the interest and the ability should watch the documentary Gasland about hydrofracking, which was made by a filmmaker from rural Pennsylvania, a place very close and very like my birthplace in Cattaraugus County.

Stuuuuuu,

Look up Guenot Settlement, PA.

My name is Ty Guenot, my family has deep roots there.

My family owns property in Lydon, just east of Franklinville.
As a matter of fact, I just harvested a doe this past weekend out by Gunners place on Grove Rd.

Beautiful country there. I spent some time in Austin house-sitting for friends many years ago. Looks like Guenot Settlement is fairly near there. Great land, horrible beer laws.

Yea, right in the middle of a state forest.
My grandfather was the catalyst for the youth correctional facility (he was heavy religion).
The idea was to reform, not incarcerate.
Alot of memories down there. Its coal country though, and my remaining family down there fully support what I do, even though the companies I do battle with pretty much would like to squash guys like me like a bug.

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Well keep it up slesh. Somebody's gotta be willing to take a stand. And what good is money when you have a black lung, or your water catches fire?


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Well keep it up slesh. Somebody's gotta be willing to take a stand. And what good is money when you have a black lung, or your water catches fire?

Oh I know Stuuuuuuu, I keep fighting the good fight, some days I'm the bug, some days I'm the windshield.

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This is kind of what I was pointing to, Squanto.

There are people out there who are upset about this. What if one of them is a current owner of an NHL team, or some one high up in the league?

What if Tommy G, who has always had an interest in the well being of New Yorkers, isn't a fan of it?

These things may be unlikely, but they COULD happen.

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slesh
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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
This is kind of what I was pointing to, Squanto.

There are people out there who are upset about this. What if one of them is a current owner of an NHL team, or some one high up in the league?

What if Tommy G, who has always had an interest in the well being of New Yorkers, isn't a fan of it?

These things may be unlikely, but they COULD happen.

And there are PSP, but I'm not one of them. I will be greatful when Mr. Pegula owns the team.
There is always a method to the madness......so to speak. And I am sure he has his agenda, whether it be enjoying the team as a retirement toy or utiliziing it as a tool to a means to an end. I really cannot say, I only know that having Mr. Pegula in the region is a good thing, from multiple points of view, but, it comes with baggage like anything else.

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slesh wrote:
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This is kind of what I was pointing to, Squanto.

There are people out there who are upset about this. What if one of them is a current owner of an NHL team, or some one high up in the league?

What if Tommy G, who has always had an interest in the well being of New Yorkers, isn't a fan of it?

These things may be unlikely, but they COULD happen.

And there are PSP, but I'm not one of them. I will be greatful when Mr. Pegula owns the team.
There is always a method to the madness......so to speak. And I am sure he has his agenda, whether it be enjoying the team as a retirement toy or utiliziing it as a tool to a means to an end. I really cannot say, I only know that having Mr. Pegula in the region is a good thing, from multiple points of view, but, it comes with baggage like anything else.


Very true, Slesh. The baggage just carries more weight to some than others.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
This is kind of what I was pointing to, Squanto.

There are people out there who are upset about this. What if one of them is a current owner of an NHL team, or some one high up in the league?

What if Tommy G, who has always had an interest in the well being of New Yorkers, isn't a fan of it?

These things may be unlikely, but they COULD happen.


It's worry for the sake of worry.

It's unlikely that I will get head at work from a random porn star,but it COULD happen.

Pick any owner in the league, and I'll find something that one of you guys doesn't like about how he got his money.


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Squanto wrote:

It's unlikely that I will get head at work from a random porn star,but it COULD happen.



Need an intern? Just sayin...it's an option. Not a good option, but still an option

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jvaccaro6 wrote:
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It's unlikely that I will get head at work from a random porn star,but it COULD happen.



Need an intern? Just sayin...it's an option. Not a good option, but still an option



Are you asking to be Squanto's intern so you can give him head at work? :lol: cause thats how this reads.... or i just need coffee....

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No, I was suggesting that if this stuff even has a chance of happening at the office...I'm in...

Squanto isn't really my type, I'm not into anyone over 5'7

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jvaccaro6 wrote:
No, I was suggesting that if this stuff even has a chance of happening at the office...I'm in...

Squanto isn't really my type, I'm not into anyone over 5'7



all the same size laying down.... :lol:

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