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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:37 am 
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His head whipping back is a reaction to being hit in general. In no way do I see Paille hitting him in the head, let alone trying to hit him in the head. At no time int he replay have I seen head contact. It looks like it at high speed but slowed down like I said you clearly see shoulder to shoulder contact.

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The officials were afraid to not make that call. But I still think it's clean. You can see pretty clearly from the screen shot that I took above that it was shoulder to shoulder.

The 2nd angle doesn't show anything. The front angle doesn't give you a good idea of what really happened on the play. Hell, you can't even really see Paille. He's a blur through the whole thing:

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:40 am 
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Squanto wrote:
Watch the front on view, :57 on the YouTube vid. Paille's elbow clearly comes up and makes direct head contact.

EDIT: Not to mention that the head whips around before the body and shoulders move, which is also clearly indicative of head contact.


The snap shot I took shows Paille's elbow tucked into his body on his way into the hit.

Additionally, the head does not whip before the shoulder's move. His whole upper torso flys backwards with his head, because he was reaching forward for the puck when Paille made the hit.

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Whatever.

You are the master of all things hockey Adam. You're never wrong.

I guess Andrew Ference and the other Bruins who agreed that the hit was a dirty headshot don't know anything about the game, or the sport, or the rules. Maybe the league should call you into the disciplinary hearing so you can point out to them the error of their ways.

I'm done wasting my time. I'll just ask you what my opinion should be from now on.


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Just trying to be objective about the hit.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:45 am 
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We're not allowed to disaggre apparently. Or give evidence. Or form an opinion without getting some shitty school yard retort. Yippee skippy.

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I really don't think splitting hairs over replay should be a factor in how the league rules on these hits anyway. Was the player defensless? Yes. Did Paille have to make that hit? No. Was it reckless and dangerous? Definitely. Whether he meant to or in fact did make head contact really isn't the point, because at that speed with two players still moving or turning you can't predict exactly where contact will be made.

It's suspension worthy any way you look at it.


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Well, he's got a hearing with the NHL today, and his team mates think it was a dirty hit, so I guess it doesn't really matter.

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Boston Bruins forward Daniel Paille has a Friday morning disciplinary hearing scheduled with the NHL, a source told ESPN.com.

The hearing, to be conducted by phone, will be run by league vice president of hockey operations Mike Murphy and not league disciplinarian Colin Campbell. Campbell's son, Gregory Campbell, is a Bruins forward and was involved in Thursday night's game against the Dallas Stars, in which Paille was ejected for an illegal hit to the head.

Paille got a match penalty for his hit on Stars forward Raymond Sawada in the second period of the Bruins' 6-3 win in Boston.

Sawada had lost control of the puck and as he leaned down to gain control, Paille connected with a blindside hit to Sawada's shoulder and head.

Sawada was able to get up on his own and skated off, but did not return.

Paille was not available to talk after the game.

"It's a bad hit, right? That's what they're trying to get rid of and you can't be hypocritical about it when it happens to you and say it's fine when your teammate does it," Bruins defenseman Andrew Ference said. "You hear it from every player after they do it; they feel bad. I talked to Danny and he feels bad. It's tough, that backchecking forward, to make those kind of hits. It's so hard to do it in a clean fashion with the new rules."

It was an unusually violent game from the start. In the first four seconds of the game, there were three separate fights. Stars agitator Steve Ott bloodied Gregory Campbell one second after the puck was dropped. That was followed by Boston's Shawn Thornton pounding Stars forward Krys Barch one second later.

And then Boston's Adam McQuaid was fighting Dallas' Brian Sutherby four seconds in as the crowd roared with approval.

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Squanto wrote:
Watch the front on view, :57 on the YouTube vid. Paille's elbow clearly comes up and makes direct head contact.

EDIT: Not to mention that the head whips around before the body and shoulders move, which is also clearly indicative of head contact.

Physics would argue with that completely.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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You know, I cannot tell if it's cheap or not. I don't think the intention was to be a dirty hit, though Paille is usually known as a decent shoulder to shoulder hitter. He did leave his skates, so that argument may be the determining factor to the league.

My question is, did they lose who hit the Star in the mix up? Why didn't anyone go after him?


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He got 4 games.


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Wild. I just don't see it.

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Wow.. I figured 2, MAYBE 3.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Squanto wrote:
Watch the front on view, :57 on the YouTube vid. Paille's elbow clearly comes up and makes direct head contact.

EDIT: Not to mention that the head whips around before the body and shoulders move, which is also clearly indicative of head contact.

Physics would argue with that completely.


what? the head is separate from the shoulders/body. if someone is hit in the side of the head, the head would move, because your neck allows that to a certain point, before the body follows suit.

also, most concussions come from when you are struck from the side, because your head whips violently. worst place to get hit in the head? the jaw.

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I saw an elbow hit the head.

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A fair suspension...crazy huh?


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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Squanto wrote:
Watch the front on view, :57 on the YouTube vid. Paille's elbow clearly comes up and makes direct head contact.

EDIT: Not to mention that the head whips around before the body and shoulders move, which is also clearly indicative of head contact.

Physics would argue with that completely.


what? the head is separate from the shoulders/body. if someone is hit in the side of the head, the head would move, because your neck allows that to a certain point, before the body follows suit.

also, most concussions come from when you are struck from the side, because your head whips violently. worst place to get hit in the head? the jaw.

If you suddenly stop movement within the body, the head will keep moving regardless if you hit the head or not, that is the same as if you are in a car without a seatbelt and someone slams the brakes, you will keep moving forward inside the car while the car slows to a stop.

And if the body stops moving forward, and the head still goes, that is clearly not head contact, if the head moves back while the body still moves forward, that would be clear head hitting.

I never watched the hit, don't care to. Just saying that's how physics is.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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4 games is a little much, I thought maybe 1or2 would have been enough.

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el hit to the head-o


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Squanto wrote:
Watch the front on view, :57 on the YouTube vid. Paille's elbow clearly comes up and makes direct head contact.

EDIT: Not to mention that the head whips around before the body and shoulders move, which is also clearly indicative of head contact.

Physics would argue with that completely.


what? the head is separate from the shoulders/body. if someone is hit in the side of the head, the head would move, because your neck allows that to a certain point, before the body follows suit.

also, most concussions come from when you are struck from the side, because your head whips violently. worst place to get hit in the head? the jaw.

If you suddenly stop movement within the body, the head will keep moving regardless if you hit the head or not, that is the same as if you are in a car without a seatbelt and someone slams the brakes, you will keep moving forward inside the car while the car slows to a stop.

And if the body stops moving forward, and the head still goes, that is clearly not head contact, if the head moves back while the body still moves forward, that would be clear head hitting.

I never watched the hit, don't care to. Just saying that's how physics is.

the head is moving at a constant velocity of 0 m/s which the body begins to accelerate in a negative direction :P

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